External Polemics – The Problem with Islam’s Origins

0:00 Now we're moving on to the third form. This is the third area of polemics, and it's called external polemics. Basically, it's nothing more than historical critical analysis, looking at how Islam began. So we don't waste time opening up the Quran and reading it. We don't waste time looking at Muhammad, what he did with women, what he did with men, what he did in all the violence and the misogyny. We don't even look at that. Why waste time looking at him if he never existed? That's right. Did he even exist? That's the question we ask. ask. Did the Quran exist? Is there a Quran, this book, 114 surahs, that existed in the 7th century at least by 652? That's all we're asking. And more importantly, if this man was born in a place called Mecca, lived there for 52 years, and then moved to Medina, and in that period between those two cities, he received this book, 114 surahs, all before 632, then Muslims have to persuade me, prove it. Just those three things. This man in that place receiving this book all before 632.

1:08 That's all I want to hear. So far, no Muslim can. And that's why this is the brand new polemic, and this is causing an enormous amount of confrontation, even within Christian circles. I'm getting it in the neck from Christians as well. They'd rather I not do this. Because if I were to prove that there was no Muhammad, then they're not going to have anything to talk about or to attack. Folks, 99% of all Muslims still believe in that Muhammad. We still need to confront him. So this is a completely different polemic, and that's what I'm going to introduce now. And this is the one I think I did for Jack two or three years ago, and it's gone to, what, 3.3 million people have watched this material. So let's get right into it. When you look at Islam externally, we need to ask this question. Confronting Islamic sternities, some of us need to use the model of love and reconciliation. That's what I talked about earlier. Others of us need to confront those foundations, the book, the man, and the place, and the authority for almost every radical group.

2:05 All of us need to defend the Bible and Jesus Christ, but a few of us need to use verbal and public offense. That's polemics. There you can see Hattun Tosh up on the ladder with me at Speaker's Corner. That was in 2019. The reason we do that is because of what Paul said in 2 Corinthians chapter 10. Paul who says, I am meek when I'm with you, but when I'm outside the doors of the synagogue or in that time, the church, when I go outside the door I am bold. Now we tend to do just the opposite, don't we? We're very bold inside the church, but as soon as we leave the door, we tend to become meek, mild, and timid. Paul says just the opposite. And he says, I do not use weapons of this world. He does not use stoning or swords or knives anymore. That's what he did as Saul. Today, that would be bombs, bullets, and cruise missiles. We don't use those weapons, he said.

3:02 I use principalities and powers. And what powers is he talking about? Look at verse 5. I use arguments. We use arguments and take captive every thought and make it obedient to Jesus Christ. That's what we do. That's called polemics. And that's why we need to use that today. And that's why we do that with as many Muslims as we can find. So how should we employ it? Well, we started doing it. I started doing this way back in 1995 when I went to a course by a man named Dr. Gerald Houghton at the School of Origin African Studies in the University of London. And he started saying things that I'd never heard before. See, I already had a master's degree in Islamics. I had another master's degree in apologetics, not polemics, but apologetics. And he was saying things in class that we can't find any reference to this man named Muhammad at all anywhere in the seventh century. We can't find any reference to people called Muslims and no reference to a religion called Islam. They called everything else, but not Muslims. They call themselves Mahajiruns, Ishmaelites, Hagareens. They call themselves Sarasins. But where is this word Muslim? And where is this man Muhammad? And I start scratching my head. I said, why hadn't I been told this when I was doing my master's degree on this at Fuller Seminary just down the road.

4:13 They never told me this. And then he said the first time we even see a reference to this biography of this man comes from a man named Ibn Ishaq in 765, but we don't have any of that material. We have to go to a man named Ibn Ishaq who died in 833. Muhammad died in 632. Do you see a problem? The first biography written by this Baptist man comes from 200 years after the fact. And where did Ibn Isham get it from? He got it from this man who got it from that man who got it from that man who got it from that man who got it from the man who actually saw what was going on. Five generations of oral tradition.

4:49 What do we do with oral tradition? I do not trust oral tradition. Do you? let's put it on that's right thank you let's put it on the other foot if we had Jesus Christ what he said and what he did did not anybody write down immediately what he said and did Matthew Mark Luke and John right weren't they right there well John and Matthew were right with Jesus were they not did they not write it down before they died absolutely you've all seen that that great program called the chosen who is the guy that's always there wiggling his head and he's all I'm not sure what I'm doing. He's actually an Indian guy. That's Matthew. What is he doing? He's writing down everything Jesus said. You have to have that record. You have to make sure that it's written down so when it's written down, we can trust what's written down. And the other disciples could look at it. They could then take from it and they could then make their own copies of it. But that's why it's important that we have eyewitness account. We have John and Matthew were eyewitnesses. The Muslims call that the Sahaba. That means the companions of Jesus, The Sahaba of Muhammad, where the 120,000 of them, according to what we're hearing, not one of them wrote anything down what Muhammad said.

5:57 Not one word was written down. We have four complete gospels that were written down. Luke and Mark are the next generation. That is the tabiyun. That would be the ones who got it from the eyewitnesses. So we have both the Sahaba and the tabiyun of Jesus Christ. And that's why we can trust what we read. We know what Jesus did and we know what Jesus said. But Islam has nothing like that. They have nothing like that. So this historical critique is based on these three things. These three chairs, or you might say these three legs of a chair. Everything that Islam is based on is one book called the Quran, the man Muhammad, who this book is about, and the place Mecca where it all happened. It's like a stool with three chairs. And if you start to confront one of those legs and it starts to wobble, pretty soon that leg breaks. When that leg breaks, the other two come falling down.

6:55 They collapse. You cannot have one or two legs by themselves. If we eradicate Mecca, let's start with Mecca first, then there is no Islamic Muhammad nor any Islamic Quran. And that's why we're going to confront Muhammad after we confront Mecca. So, let's start with Mecca itself. now I just want to say again you don't have to take pictures of all these you can have these powerpoints just get the QR code we'll put it back up there again afterwards and just pull these down for yourself so you can use them I speak very fast because I'm only given well now down to 37 minutes I'm only given certain amount of time so I do have to go through this quickly but just follow the powerpoints so what the Muslims claim this is what they claim about Mecca first of all they claim that it's the earliest city in the history of mankind because that's where Adam and Eve came to if Adam and Eve are there, there's no one earlier than Arabidin. If that was where they lived, then there's no inhabitant that's earlier than that. They also say in chapter 21, verse 51 to 71, that Abraham went down to the Masjid al-Haram. Now, Masjid al-Haram just means in Arabic, the forbidden place of bowing. But Muslims believe that that is Mecca. So therefore, Abraham is there in 19th century BC, and he's there in the Masjid al-Haram, taking an idol and destroying all the other idols that are there. And then coming out the next day, when they see the destroyed idols, they grab them and throw them into the fiery pit. Have you any read of that? Did you read that in your Bible about Abraham going to Mecca? Did you know he lived in Mecca? Did you know he built that Kaaba, that square building that they circumambulate? You didn't know that today? This is the first time you're hearing that? It's right there in chapter 21 of the Quran. Did you know that he was thrown into a fiery pit? Isn't that Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego? Seems they got something wrong here? Where does that story come from? Actually, we do know where that story comes from.

8:48 No, not Daniel. That's the true story. You've got the true story. I'm talking about where is the real story of Abraham in the Messiah of destroying the idols and being thrown into a fiery pit. That comes from the Mishnah of Rabbah, a Jewish apocryphal account written in the second century AD. Borrowed from the Jews, it was nothing more than a fairy tale, a bedtime tale for children that they've now put into chapter 21 of the Quran. Are you starting to see what I think of the Quran? And where I'm going with this? What they also say is that Mecca was a center of trade, north, south, west, and east. So therefore, if it's a center of trade, someone somewhere should have known about that. The trade route theory that Montgomery came up with kind of helped us with that. He said, well, we know that the trade route theory is correct because when, he says, when the trade route that used to go, and let me say that you're going this way. So when it came from India over here across the Arabian Sea up into the Gulf of the Hormuz where the problems are going on right today across the Arabian Sea up into the Persian Gulf to Basra then we'd go across through Basra over to what is today Iraq over to Lebanon and then you'd get to the Mediterranean world. That was where the trade went that it was coming from India and China. But the Sassanians who were up here in what is today Iran started battling the Byzantines up here in what is Turkey and that shut down that trade route. So they had to redirect it down to, just pretend that I have my map right, down to here in Aden, which is at the southern tip of the Arabian Peninsula. And from there they went 1,250 miles up to Gaza in the north. Mecca is right in the middle of that trade route, and it's right there on that land. So therefore, our good friend Montgomery Watt got the Muslims out of hot water by saying that's why we don't hear anything about Mecca before that. Now, nonetheless, it should be the best known and certainly one of the best documented places in history. But is it?

10:41 Let's see. To begin with Mecca, because it is foundational for Muhammad and the Quran, without it, both are going to collapse if Mecca collapse. Because what Muhammad do you have if there's no Mecca? What Quran do you have if there's no Mecca? Since it's the earliest and most important city in the history of mankind, according to chapter 7, verse 24 in the Quran, it has to be the center of the world, therefore certainly the best known. When you look at the references of the traditions, they claim that Mecca had lush vegetation. Now the traditions are written much later. They're written in the 9th and 10th and 11th century for what was happening in the 7th century. So by the 9th and 10th and 11th century, there were all these beautiful lush, well there's there was clay, there was loam, there were olive trees, there were streams. Take a look at that picture. Does that look like it's a very lush environment? It's as arid as you can get and it's been like that for 2,000 years. It's in a desert with bad and depleted desert soil. When you look at the Quran and you look at the earliest manuscripts, and you look at all the earliest manuscripts, the Arabic that's in the Quran is based on what we know. Oh, I'm going jumping ahead. That's not what I'm looking at. That's not what I'm looking for right now. When you look at the Quran, you need to ask, is there any reference to Mecca in the Quran?

11:53 There is one verse in the Quran, chapter 48, verse 24. That's the only verse we can find in the Quran. If this is the oldest city in the history of mankind, if this is the center of trade, if this is where all the pilgrims went to from 1900 BC when Abraham was supposed to rebuild the Kaaba, then why is it no one's written about it, no one's talked about it, and we can't find any reference to it, and there's only one verse in the Quran that refers to it. And that's why when you look and ask, well, who are these people that were there at that time? We find no Muslims at that time. Yeah, they call themselves Hagareens and they call themselves Ishmaelites because they're in the line of Hagar and the lane of Ishmael. They call themselves Maha'juruns, which means people of Hagar. They call themselves Hagareites, which means place of Hagar. These are just Ishmaelites. And the Ishmaelites, we do know, they do come in the line of Ishmael and their headquarters, their principal city is called Petra. Hold on to that thought.

12:46 When you look at the language, and this is what I want to talk about earlier, look at the Arabic that is there, and you will see there is the alaf baksura, which is that kind of squiggly line, like an S-shape at the end of the words. They also have the tar marbutu, which is a circle with two dots about it that makes it feminine in many cases. And they also have the letter, well, the reference to the, al, in Arabic. The crown is full of these. Yet here's the problem. The Arabic that was spoken or been used in Mecca and Medina, that's the Hijaz, doesn't have any Tadmar buta, no Al-Maksudah, and certainly no definite article. That doesn't exist because they use Sabaic Arabic, which doesn't have those three. These three items are only found in what we know as Nabataean Aramaic from what is today Jordan, a thousand miles to the north. So even the Quran itself could not have come from Mecca and Medina. It could have only come from a thousand miles to the north. You're going to start seeing a pattern there.

13:40 as we go through this. geographical problems if you look at the traditions they talk about all these men and women who die in mecca and when you die you're buried within 24 hours between 70 to 300 prophets were buried in mecca and they're all buried in a kneeling position because they keep praying even after they're buried which means their bones should still be there today all these hundreds and thousands of bones but when you look at today you look and see what Saudi Arabia is doing. They're building some of the tallest buildings in the world. See that clock tower there? That's the fourth tallest building in the world. They're building about 62 of these skyscrapers around the Kaaba that you can see in the center. When you build tall buildings, you have to dig deep foundations. And when you dig deep foundations, you start coming across artifacts, all kinds of artifacts. And that's how historians rebuild the history of cities by looking at those artifacts. The archaeologists come licking their lips.

14:38 And so Dan Gibson, a friend of mine, went to an archaeological conference and he asked the Saudi Arabians, what have you found with all this digging that's going on? They didn't want to answer him. So he said, no, listen, you're doing all this digging there because of all these buildings you're building. You must have found something. And he said, well, they said finally, yes, we do. We have found the ruins of an Ottoman fort. The Ottomans don't even come to power until the 13th century AD, 1299. that's the earliest, that's the oldest what they can find, so what are the Saudi Arabian government doing? notice that they're cementing everything up on the left hand side you'll see Khadija's house that was the wife, the first wife of Muhammad they raised it to the ground to build a hotel right at the very top there is the building where Muhammad was supposedly born they raised that to ground and now they're putting cement over top why are they cementing up Mecca? because they're hearing what we know there's nothing there to be found and they're making sure that we can't dig anymore Now the Quran places and refers to 65 references, geographical references, but it refers to these cities or these people that this prophet doesn't name the prophet.

15:51 The prophet's only named four times. Moses is named over 120 times. Abraham is named 79 times. Jesus or Issa is named 93 times. We can only find four references to Muhammad. What does that say about Muhammad in the Quran? Ooh, two, two, two, two. Not very significant. and three of those we pretty well know have nothing to do with Muhammad. That will come later. But they do talk about this prophet who is there in this place that they call, but they don't call it Mecca. It's just where the Masjid al-Haram is. And he goes up and he has a relationship with these people from Ad. 23 times these people from Ad. That's the Ur that we have in the Bible. These people from Tamud 24 times. That is the Nabateans. All of these are up in Jordan today. Seven times he has relationship with people from Midian. Take a look at the map. See where Mecca is and look where these are. Let me just point them out to you so we can quickly.

16:44 So there's the people of Ud way up there in Jordan. Here are the people from Thamud way down there in the southern Jordan. And here are the people from Midian. Notice where that red box is. That's 600 to 1,000 miles to the north. If you're having daily relationships with these people and having trade with them, going back and forth, you're going up and coming down in one day. That means you're going up 600 miles and coming back 600 miles in one day. 1,200 miles. How do you do that by camelback?

17:11 Helicopter, airplane, yes, but not in the 7th century. So you can see that all these references seem to suggest that wherever this prophet lived, he did not live in Mecca, Medina. He lived way up to the north, possibly 1,000 to 1,200 miles to the north. When you look at the land trade routes, we can't find any trade routes. Dr. Patricia Curnen, who reads and writes 15 languages, she started my sponsorship when I started my doctorate under her. She was head of the department at Oxford University, got death threats for writing a book called Meccan Trade and the Rise of Islam, where she was asking this very question. She had to move from Oxford and move to Cambridge, and that's where I got to know her. And she was the one that actually put together my first debate in 1995 on this material. over 30 years ago I did this debate. She asked this question. If there is trade there, then there should be references to it in the trading documents.

18:05 Now she could read 15 languages, all archaic languages. She could read Acadian, Nabataean, Aramaic, Syrah, Aramaic. She knew all these languages. She went back to these trading documents from the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, all the way up until the 8th century. She couldn't find any reference to this city at all. There was no trade through there. what was interesting she didn't go so far enough we found out if you're going to talk about trade she found out that they couldn't have gone through the western plateau because there was no reference there were people there were references to places on the western plateau Aden and then Najran and Sana and Taif and Yathrib and Haibar Tabuk and all the way up to Gaza those many many references for but no not one reference to Mecca probably the most important city is not even labeled on any documentation in any language. She didn't go to the trade routes.

18:57 The trade routes are, you can see up on the screen, the red line is where the big ships go today. Those are the deep channels. But look where the smaller channels are, where the ships back in the 7th century would have gone, the gold routes. Notice they're all hugging the western coast, which is the African coast. Why are they having the African coast and not the Arab coast? For one very simple reason. There's no water on the Arabian side. There's water on the western coast on the African side. You have to have water if you're going to be trading, be able to go into port, port after port, after port, in order to replenish your supplies and also be protected from the pirates. She looked and she asked, well, where is the first reference we can find to this city called Mecca? She could not find any reference to Mecca until 741. Muhammad died in 632. Do you see a problem? That's over 100 years later. and that reference in the apocalypse of Pseudomethodias Arabica is only found and it places it way up in southern Turkey. It's even in the wrong place. Looks like it's another Mecca.

19:56 Ptolemy is the one you need to go to. He is the geographer from the second century and he was the one that wrote the geography of the Arabian Peninsula and when you look and see his geography there are many who put maps together like this. These are Europeans who put maps just looking at all his descriptions but take a look and when you look at all the maps they put together everything seems to be in place except one place. No reference to Mecca on any of these maps. No reference to Mecca in any of his writings. And this is the second century AD. Remember, this is the city that Adam and Eve came to. This is the city that Abraham rebuilt the Kaaba with. That means it should have been there from the 19th century BC, and yet by the second century AD, we don't even have any reference anywhere to it. So she went one step further. She said, well, let's go and let's ask all the empires. So she went to the Persian Empire. She went to the Assyrian Empire. She went to the Roman Empire. She went to the Babylonian Empire, the three, four great empires that you see on the north there.

20:51 And she looked at all their documents, reading their original text. She couldn't find one reference to Mecca. So she said, well, let's go a little closer. Let's try to get away from the wolves in the north. Let's come down to the Hiberites in the bottom. Let's go to the Asherites. Let's go to the Nabateans, which are up in the north. Let's go to the Nubians, which are over in the African side. She looked at all their documents. She was the first one to read their documents. Not one reference to Mecca in any of them. Not one reference.

21:18 Those are the cities she did find. She said, well, possibly maybe it's just too insignificant. That's why no one knew about it. So then she went to those cities you see. Sana, Marib, Najran, Taif, Yathred, Khaybar, Petra, Mamrat. She could find reference after reference to every one of these little towns and hamlets all the way back to the 3rd century BC. Nothing for Mecca By the way, that's what I do because I'm from India like a good Indian. Jayhans in the bud. When noting the trade routes through these towns, we find that they are all located on the western plateau, whereas Mecca is over 3,000 feet below, too far down, proving it was not on any trade route. So back in 2019, I got on the ladder with Hattu Tosh. Hattu, are you here? Hattu Tosh was here earlier. She refuses to stand up.

22:11 She doesn't want to be acknowledged. She's somewhere in the crowd. Hattu and Tash and I got on the ladder and we decided to hold up these pictures like that. And I said to the crowd there, look at these pictures. What do you notice about Mecca and Medina in the Hejaz? Notice they're all built or they're all existing in very desert locations. And where there's a desert, there's no water. No water, no food, no food, no people, no people, no towns, no towns, no cities, no cities, no civilization, no history. How long did it take me to say that? Two seconds. That's all I needed to say just one time. No water, no food, no food, no people, no people, no towns, no towns, no cities, no cities, no civilization, no history. Every time a Muslim started to come up and try to confront us, I said, wait, wait a minute, no water. You've got to have water. It became a meme.

22:55 No place on earth can exist without water. You have to have water there. They have to have water. So they said, okay, what about the Zamzam Well? Okay, I said, let's go to the Zamzam Well. So I went to the Zamzam Well, and I showed them the Zamzam Well. You want to look at what it looks like? There it is. That's the Zamzam Well. Look at the men who are looking down it. It's about 30 feet across, about 50 feet deep. And that's the earliest picture we have of the Zamzam well. Now, that's the water. They take water out today, and you will see all over the world, including here in Chino, go to any Muslim store, and you will see Zamzam water there on their shelves for sale. This is holy water. This is water that will take care of all your diseases, according to some Muslims. And so whenever they go on the hud, they go and they make sure that they drink Zamzam water taken from that well. Now, you stop and think. It goes all over the world to 1.9 billion Muslims. That's an awful lot of water. Even during the Hajj. There are 2 million Muslims that come from the Hajj. There's another 2 million that live there.

23:47 That means 4 million people have to drink that water every day from that little well that's only 30 feet across and 50 feet deep. So what they have done is today they have capped that well and they have pipes going into the well and pipes coming out. They even show pictures of it. You can Google it. Follow the pipes. The pipes go up to a hill not outside of Mecca where there are these enormous holding tanks that have been put together by Britain, 11 of them, the largest in the world, and that's where the water comes from, and they put some sweetener in it so it tastes more holy. So where does the water come to fill up those huge tanks? You want to know where they come from? According to what Muslims say, when you ask them, how is it that a little well like that can replenish water over and over again so that 1.9 billion people can drink from it, they say, this is the miracle of Allah. Allah has provided that well So it replenishes it automatically And that's why the pipes have to be put in And the pipes have to be put out And that's Allah who did this They're just copying what Jesus did With five loaves and three fishes The problem is They don't know where that water comes from So follow the pipes from those holding tanks And where do they go?

24:53 They go down, down, down, down, down Down to Jeddah To these desalination plants desalination plants built by Pechdel Corporation Kansas City, United States had nothing to do with Allah it has everything to do with America thank God for America and our technology Dan Gibson, my good friend, decided to ask a much more serious question. He said, hold on a minute. As he was there living in places like Jordan, he was learning Arabic, and he was going around to all these mosques. He went down to the original floor plans for these mosques, and he saw that many of them were built or were used in the 7th century and the 8th century. So he said, well, that should be interesting. Let's look at the Qibla. The Qibla is the every mosque is built with a long wall, And when Muslims come, they align themselves with that long wall, and they want to make sure that they're directed towards Mecca. Those mosques are always directed towards Mecca.

25:49 And Mecca was solidified as the direction of prayer in chapter 2, verse 149 to 150. It was redirected from Jerusalem down to the Masjid al-Haram. Again, Muslims claim that's Mecca. So from, we're talking about 621, every mosque should be facing Mecca. So he went to mosque after mosque after mosque. He went to mosques all over the Middle East. He went to mosques in India, all the way as far as China. He went to mosques up in Turkey, down in Yadin. Every mosque that he went to, he measured those kiblas using the accelerated space telemetry. He measured every one of those kiblas, and not one of them is facing Mecca. They're all facing Petra. In Jordan, a few were facing Jerusalem, 100 miles away. but not one was facing Mecca not until 715 AD that's the 8th century are you seeing a problem folks?

26:44 are you seeing a pattern here? when you go back to the Kaaba itself when you go back to the Hajj that happens there take a look at what Muslims do they go there and you see pictures of them they circumambulate around that square building going 7 times counterclockwise ask Muslims why are they going 7 times and why counterclockwise any of you know the answer?

27:04 Joshua? there you go Jericho it comes straight out of Judaism that's what they did in the temple there in Jerusalem circumambulating seven times going counterclockwise and then they would then going counterclockwise and then they would do something interesting they would go back and forth between two mountains those are the two mountains right there well okay they're not mountains they're just a long building there's a corridor between Safa and Marwa to commemorate Hagar looking for water. She was thrown out of Mecca. She was thrown out into the desert by Abraham. When she was out there, her son Ishmael ran out of water, so she had to go looking. So she went to Safa to look for water. That couldn't find it. She went to Marwa seven times back and forth, could not find water. When she finally came to where Ishmael was, the water was bubbling out of the water, out of the ground. It was coming so fast. She said, zum, zum, zum, zum. That's where the zum, zum well comes from. You get the story now? And that's where that little well comes from, Zum Zum water. Now that's to commemorate that. So Muslims run back and forth between those two mountains, but when you look at the pictures of those two mountains, they're only two pieces of rock, only 20 feet high. If she was thrown out into the desert and ran out of water, and therefore she's looking for water, what are those two mountains or those rocks doing in the middle of Mecca, where everybody lives? Just 100 feet away from the Kaaba, where everybody is surrounded. Couldn't you go to any door and just knock on the door? So obviously these are not the original safa and the original marwa. These are nothing more than models of the original safa and the original marwa. Much like you have in Las Vegas. There's an Eiffel Tower there and there's a pyramid. Those are not the original Eiffel Towers. They're small facsimiles. Well that's what's going on here. These are to commemorate the original one. So where's the original safa and the original marwa? I've already given it away. Just look at the picture in the middle.

28:57 Notice this is in Jerusalem again. In Jerusalem you have Mount Moriah. Mount Moriah is where the temple mount is. It's where the temple stood. Mount Moriah in Arabic is marwah. The Jews would circumambulate seven times. Then they would go down to the Kidron Valley, come back up to Mount Scopus. Mount Scopus in Arabic is safa. There's the original marwah, the original safa. So what the Muslims are doing today, the Jews did earlier. And that's why when you look at Islam, you'll see it's plagiarism at its finest. They're plagiarizing everything that is important. So in conclusion, certainly someone, somewhere, at some time, should have known about this city, yet no one anywhere, nor at any time has, proving that it never existed at the time of Muhammad, nor during early Islam. So if Mecca did not exist, then what Muhammad are Muslims referring to? Their Muhammad had to have been born and grown up there until he was 52 years old.

29:53 So let's go right into Muhammad now. Without Mecca, it doesn't matter which Muhammad you find. If he isn't from Mecca, he's not the Muhammad of Islam. So which Muhammad are Muslims supporting? Now remember, I got into hot water a year ago when I brought this up here at, in July, I think July 6th when I was here, and I talked about the Muhammad. And because I've gotten into hot water, I have to be very careful what I'm going to say next. Here's what the Muslims claim, and this is what I'll make sure that everybody understands. Which Muhammad are we looking for? Now, the claim Muslims make is the Muhammad of Islam is the only one they're interested. There are many Muhammads in the 7th century, just like there were many Jesuses in the 1st century. Am I right? But we don't care about those other Jesuses. We only care about one Jesus. The Jesus who was born in Bethlehem, grew up in Nazareth, and died and rose again, and called himself God in Jerusalem. That's the Jesus I care about. That's the Jesus I defend.

30:46 So Muslims are only interested really in one Muhammad, not any other person that's called Muhammad or Muhammad or whatever. vowels you want to put. To find the Muhammad of Islam, Muslims demand four things. The first thing they demand is that he has that name, and that's what it looks like, Muhammad, with three vowels in it to get that reference. And then he must have lived in Mecca for 52 years. He must have received the Quran, all 114 surahs, not a portion of it here, but all of it, all 114 surahs, and all of this before 632 AD. That's the Muhammad they care about. That's the only Muhammad I'm interested him. So all the four above criteria, the man, the place, the book, and the time, must be fulfilled in order to prove that Islam's Muhammad actually existed. So it does not matter how many Muhammads or references to someone of that name you find in the seventh century, they have to fulfill those four criteria, just like Jesus in the first century for Christians. If we demand only that Jesus that we care about, then we must also let Muslims demand that Muhammad that they care about, and stop wasting time on the other many, if there were other Mohammeds or Mahmads.

31:50 So let's look at the name itself. That's what Mohammed's name looks like today. Mimha Mimdal with a dama and a fatah and a fatah as the vows. But these vows did not exist in the 7th century. This is what it would look like in the 7th century, just a Mimha Mimdal. Just four letters. How would you pronounce that if you were to read that now?

32:12 Mahmud is the way most people do it. And the way we know that is because John of Damascus referred to the Mahmud in 730. And he writes it in Greek, which does have vowels in it. And he writes it M-A-M-E-D, as we would transliterate it in English. So we know how it's pronounced, but here's what's interesting. Who is that Mahmud? What is that person? Now, I'm going to go through this very quickly. If you look at Mahmud, that is well known in Akkadian. It's also known in Syriac and in Aramaic as the Blessed One. It's also known in Hebrew. We have the same word in Hebrew. So it's not a name. It's a title because it's known as the Praised One, the Blessed One, the Anointed One, the Messiah. It was first used in Ugaritic in 1400 BC, borrowed by the Hebrews in 1000 BC, introduced in the Bible 11 times. Song of Solomon 516 is the Mahmudim, who is the altogether lovely one, referring to Solomon himself.

33:08 It was subsequently employed by St. Ambrose. Looking at Song of Solomon 516, he said, Who is the other lovely one? He is the anointed one, the Messiah, who we're still waiting for to return a second time. The Jews also use this title. Look at the date. In 523, they're in southern Arabia in Arabic. They call Yahweh the Mahmud. So Yahweh the Mahmud, this is 60 years before Muhammad's even born. If he ever existed, they're referring to the Muhammad as the Lord himself, the anointed one. So that predates Islam and predates certainly Muhammad if he even existed. So by the 7th century, some Christians used Muhammad to refer to the returning Messiah, while some Jews used Muhammad to refer to the coming Messiah. Yet at some point, there had to be a prophet with that name. So I have no doubt that there was someone named Muhammad. But when and where did he exist?

34:02 The term Muhammad was well known in that area at that time, but it was not pronounced Muhammad in the 7th century as we pronounce it today. That is why there's so much confusion. Since that name is first introduced in the 8th century, possibly referring to a prophet adopted later by Islam, Muslims must now find him. That's not my job. Thank goodness. I don't need to do that. Now let's look and see what the coins say about this. Coins are great because they're durable. They don't disintegrate. They don't deteriorate. They're made out of metal. And when you look at the coins, they kind of tell you what's happening, and there are great windows into what's going on, because the coins bear things that you can look at. They talk about the ruler. They put the ruler's name there. They also refer to the religion that that ruler belongs to. They also date it to a place in the time period, and they always refer to the mint. So therefore, they're like little windows into that period. And so you can look at the coins and see them very quickly. So when you look at the coins, you need to see where they're minted in the 7th century.

34:58 And what's interesting, Muslims would assume that all the coins were minted there. Because any caliph that came to power, the first thing they would do would mint coins with their names on it so everybody could know who the new ruler was. They didn't have television, they didn't have radio, they had coins. And that was one of the rules and that was one of the reasons for minting coins. But you'd always say what religion you belong to on that coin. But here's what's interesting, look where the mints are from that time period. All the mints are up in the north. I'm not going to pronounce all those names, I will be desecrating it. But notice they're up in what is today Syria and Israel and also parts of Jordan. The eastern mints are over in what is today the Persian area, which makes sense because that's where they would have been beginning with the Sassanians. All these mints would have been under the authority of any Arab leader or caliph in the 7th century, including any Muslim caliph. The eastern mints were all situated in modern-day Iran. None of these mints were in the Hijaz.

35:49 They're not where they should be if Islam was created and maintained, and that's where the caliphs lived. That's where Muhammad lived. That's where Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, and Ali. They all lived in Medina. Therefore, they would have minted these coins in that area. None of them come from that area. They're way up too far to the north. Possibly because the Hijaz was a desert with no water. And where there is no water, you know the rest.

36:15 So let's look at them. Let's put them on a timeline. Muhammad dies in 632. There are no Islamic coins whatsoever that we can find from his time period or even from the Rashidun period. So including Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, and Ali, we don't see any coins by any of them. We can't find their names on any documentation from that early. Sassanin period, we find Christian coins there and also Soroastrian coins. But what's interesting, Mu'uwia, who is known as the first Muslim of the Umayyad Caliph, who comes to power in 661 at the Battle of Sifin, supposedly killing Ali at that time. He then retains power up until 680. But notice where he's living. He's living in Damascus. Why isn't he living in Medina, where all the other Muslims were? He's living 1,200 miles to the north. And he mints coins. That's why his coins are exciting, because we now have documentation of supposedly a Muslim caliph. But take a look at his image there.

37:10 Notice his image there? What's he holding in either hand? A cross. What's above his head? Another cross. What's on the backside? So each one of these coins has front and back. There's another cross. when you look at these coins in fact this one here is my coin I own that now I'm trying to buy up these coins because I know when the Muslims find out what we're finding they're going to buy them all up and melt them down there you see we are there notice he's there with a cross on his head he's holding on a cross on either side on the back side is the letter M that means 40 that's how it's worth and there's a cross above it does that sound like a Muslim coin or look like a Muslim man what would be a Muslim doing with all these crosses all around him the Trinitarian cross on the left. And then he introduces this coin in 663. The first are introduced in 661. In 663, there's his image, a cross in this hand, a cross in this hand. On the other side is the letter M, a cross above it, and what do you see here?

38:03 Ooh, it bounces into place. Mimha Mimdal. Mahmud. Is that Muhammad? How could Muhammad be on a coin with crosses on either side? Can you see a problem with that? So this must not be Muhammad. This must be Mahmud. So who is the Mahmud? Well, I'll let you decide. I'm not going to take a stand on that right now. How do we know he really is a Christian? Take a look at this inscription here. If the coins are not going to lie, let's go to the rocks themselves. They will not lie because they are durable. Let's look at that inscription there. Notice it is written by Mu'ouia. How do we know that? Well, his name is right there. The Amir Mu'ouia. Notice though it's in Arabic, it's written in Greek. Muslims don't write in Greek. Only Christians write in Greek. Therefore, it stands to reason all the right that he writes in Greek. And then what does he say?

38:56 He says he is the Amir al-Muminin. You can see it written up there. What is the Amir al-Muminin? That means the commander of the believers. What believers? Take a look. Right, boom, what do you see? A cross. He is the commander of the Christians. Even as late as 663. So let the rocks and the coins speak for us. Then we get to Abdel Malik. In the late 8th, 7th century, we have Abdel Malik, and he is supposed to be paying homage. He is there. He comes to power in 685, and he introduces these coins. Well, he didn't introduce these coins. These are the coins he needs to use to pay homage to the Byzantines. And there's a picture there of, you can see, the emperor Heracliph, not the caliph, the emperor Heracliph, the two of his sons. What are they holding? Crosses in their hands, and there's a Byzantine cross piece on the back with a Byzantine cross. He then introduces this coin, his homage. He takes off the cross, takes off the cross piece, which is an aberration.

39:51 Justinian II, who is the Byzantine emperor, goes to war with him because of this. And Justinian loses the war. Abd al-Malik wins the war and introduces this coin with himself, his image on the coin, and with a sword there, and he puts in the shahada. La ilah illallah, mahmad al-rasulallah. There's only one God but God, and the mahmad is nothing more than the servant of God. Who is this mahmad he's talking about? You'd say this is Muhammad. Folks, look at all the other inscriptions on that coin. In fact, look at this coin that was introduced in 696. All of those inscriptions are all attacking Jesus Christ. Say not three, for God is one and he has no son. That's attacking the Trinity, divinity of Jesus, the Trinity, and the sonship of Jesus Christ. For truly, there is only one God but God, and the Mahmud that you're waiting for, the one that you want, is nothing more than servant of God. Why? Because the Jews are waiting for the Mahmud. We were waiting for the Mahmud at that time. So, these all suggest that there was an internecine clash between different sects within Christianity.

40:50 The Trinitarians with Justinian II on one side versus the anti-Trinitarians with Abd al-Malik on the other. With the later over here establishing its own religion in the end of the Umayyad dynasty in the mid-8th century in opposition to Christianity in the mid-8th century, which then morphed into what Islam of today during the initial 100 to 200 years of the Abbasid dynasty. And then in the 9th and 10th century, it then was solidified. and that's what we're going to talk about next because now we talk about Muhammad of faith and this is probably the most devastating. This is the stuff that's just coming out now in the last year and a half. Dr. Yasud Khadi that I talked about in the last service was asked a question on this Islamist skeptic of the question, how do you know what Muhammad said and did? If he did exist, how do we know what he actually said and did? Because we have nothing written down. In fact, we have five generations before it is finally written down. And he said, well, I'm probably the best person to ask that question because I have degrees in both of these camps.

41:47 I have the highest degrees you can get. And he says, my problem is that these two camps, the Hadith sciences on this side, I'm sorry, this is Yale University on this side, so that has historical criticism, and the Hadith sciences on this side, they are completely in opposition with each other. Two completely different conceptions, he said. he concluded that as for definitely stating that the hadith over here can go back to the prophet Muhammad and his stage of his life I would have to say that at this stage as a believer, not as an academic and if anybody proves to me that he that we can say what he did or what he said, I would be the first to buy his book so he's willing to understand that there's a problem with hadith sciences because there's no eyewitness account nothing written down by anybody that was there that saw or heard him and he's dependent on these list of names of who told it to the next person called Isnads.

42:42 But he is willing to go with the Western cleric on this site because then he says once it's written down we can trust it. So he does trust documentation. Shabit Ali was then asked three days later on July 28th by his daughter who you see pictured there how did Yassid Qadhi say this and how did he say that all of the Western science discredits the Hadith sciences? And he says, listen, we don't have to worry about that because we know that we can trust the Hadith sciences because those who are with the prophet, those who saw what he did and heard what he said were absolutely pure. They never lied. Are you starting to see? I'm hearing some laughter now. This is their best cleric answering the question. So when she asked, well, how many are you talking about? He said 120,000 of these sahabas were absolutely pure. And what they passed on orally to the next generation, they were pure. And so were the next, the tab, and the tab, tabiyun, and the tab, tab, tabiyun, all the way up until it was finally written down in the 9th and 10th century by Ibn Isham and the others.

43:41 So for five generations, they were absolutely pure and trustworthy. They were 100% accurate. Of course, the question needs to ask, whose criteria was that? So finally on July 31st, Yasir Qadhi was asked by his students, why is it that all the Western scientists and academics discredit the Hadith sciences? He says, they are leading with a whole different criteria. They are dealing with a criteria that's based on a bias. And what is that bias? They don't understand Iman. They don't understand faith. They don't understand faith that we have. Now, can you see a problem with that, folks? Can you see how ridiculous that would sound if we were to say the same thing? That Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were absolutely sinless? That we could trust everything they saw and what they heard, and we don't have to have anything written down, because we trust what they would pass on to the next generation. Thank God we don't have this problem. This is only unique to Islam.

44:35 That was just a year ago when he came out with this. Therefore, he said, we have a leap of faith that we can trust it. concerning the hadith there is no system that any civilization has developed that even comes close to is not verification and why do the sahabah's purity much like what shabir ali said today now what he doesn't know is what we now know today I'm going to go real quick through this everything that they're dependent on over here for hadith sciences that means sahih muslim that means al-buhari ibn da'ud tir midi maja nisai or ibn isham or al-wakiri or al-tabari all of these seven great men who wrote down the tafsir the Tahrik, the Hadith, and the Sirah. Those are the four genre of traditions. All of these men that he's dependent on here, everything they said and did should have extant manuscripts. They're writing in the 9th and 10th century, right? That was asked of us in the 1800s. So where are their extant manuscripts? That's all I want to know. Where is what Ibn Hisham wrote down? Where is what's Al-Buhari or Sahih Muslim? Where is anything that you have in your hands today?

45:34 Because we're only talking about 1200 years ago. So let's see what we can find. And this is what we find. Now they claim that the Sahaba, who are these men over here, I'm not going to go through because lack of time, these six Sahabas, that they were all there with Muhammad watching and hearing what he said and did, and that they were all writing it down, but none of them wrote it down. In fact, none of them even lived there. You want to know when they actually lived? Malik lived there, but his first documentation doesn't come to the 11th century. The others come to the 12th and 13th century. We have nothing earlier than the 11th century for anything written down for any of those. So we're just goodbye to them. We don't need them anymore. When it comes to the Hadith, the six major Hadith compilers that I just went through are all from the ninth and tenth century. This is what they have to depend on, on what Muhammad said. But look and see when we find the first documentations for what they said. They all come from, according to Abu Daw, that's the 11th century, Al-Nasai, the 12th century, Al-Majah, the 13th century, Al-Tarmidhi, the 14th century, Sahih Muslim, and Al-Buhari are the 14th and 15th century. Those are the compilation that every Muslim must read to know how to walk, talk, eek, and shrink, they only start to appear in the 14th and 15th century. That's 700 to 800 years after Muhammad. This is what they're going to have to depend on. And when it comes to the Sira of Muhammad, goodbye to those guys, we have to go to Ibn Isham and Al-Wakiri. But now we know that we don't have any of their documentations, that we have six manuscripts that were first introduced in the 11th century. That's in Fez, Morocco. We have another one that we can find in the British Library from the 12th century. We have another one that you can find in the Bodlin Library from the 14th century. Another one that is there in what we know as the Chester Beatty Manuscripts in Dublin that is from the 14th century. Another one that is found in the Biblioth-National in Paris from the 15th century. Another one that you find in the Soas Library from the 16th century. Folks, those six manuscripts we need to go look at because no one has done it except a German scholar in the 1800s. His name was Wustenfeld, Heinrich Friedrich Wustenfeld, who took those six manuscripts and put together the life of Muhammad and published it in 1860. That's 160 years ago. And that's the Muhammad that everybody's

47:39 following today. Put together by a German scholar from six manuscripts that only begin to appear to the 11th century. Are you beginning to see a problem here? We have one more by and they came out in 1967. Goodbye to Ibn Isha'm and Al-Wakiri. We don't even know who they are. They probably did exist, but we have nothing from them. Al-Tabari is the one that everybody likes to go to because that's how you look and see how you're to live. Now, Al-Tabari comes from these two documents that are from Turkey, from the 13th century, but no one bothered to put it together until this Dutch scholar named Michael Jan de Goers between 1879 and 1901, that's the last century, put all this material together from those two documents, and that's what everybody is reading today. A Dutch scholar.

48:27 So goodbye to Al-Tabiri. What does this tell us? That means everything we know about the Muhammad of faith, the Muslims that are depending on, comes from a big blank. Nothing's there. Are you seeing that? There's nothing before the 11th century that we can look at to support what he did or what he said. It all comes from these manuscripts. This is the Muhammad of history. Notice where the large part of them are found. They're all during the Ottoman period. So we'll just put a big X right there. There's nothing about Muhammad for 400 years. Can you understand why we're now doubting his existence?

49:01 There you can see the conclusions there. We need to move on. So that's what the Muslims say. This is what we're showing them. They've got to deal with this. And you just show them this and prove them this. And you can see a picture is worth more than 1,000 years. And we're going to end with the Quran. What do Muslims claim about the Quran? Well, they claim four things. That it's uncreated, sent down, completed, and unchanged. Now let's look at the sixth first manuscript, the earliest manuscripts, and here they are right on the screen here. Here's the top copy, that's the best they've got. That comes from about the mid eighth to the mid ninth century. It is the most complete manuscript they have. It is 99% of the Quran, but it has 2,400 manuscript variants from the Quran I have in my hand today. That means words and phrases that are different from this book here. The Samarkand comes from Uzbekistan. That is from the late 8th century, or mid-8th century. It only goes up to chapter 43.

49:58 So therefore, half the Quran is missing. Sorry, did I say 43? I meant chapter 53 out of 114. And even those 53 chapters, 16 of the chapters are missing. There's only one complete chapter in the entire Quran. It is full of manuscript variants. It has an enormous amount of grammatical mistakes. it's become an embarrassment for the Muslims. The Maithil manuscript that we have there in London, Beth, that's the one that we go to and look at. That one is from the late 8th century. It has thousands of manuscript variants, and it also goes up to chapter 53. The Petropolitana is only 23% of the Quran. It has 93 manuscript variants within those 23 manuscripts. The Huzani manuscript comes from the mid to late 9th century. It's the latest. it is the one that is full of thousands upon thousands of these coverings. And then the most exciting, the Sanaa Manuscript, which is the earliest of all the manuscripts from 705. At least the one on the right side of the page is 705.

50:53 On the left side is probably from the late 8th century. So it was about 60 years between those two pages. Every time you see those orange marks, that's a manuscript variant. That's over a thousand letters, words, and phrases that are different in that manuscript from the Quran I have in my hand today. Dr. Dan Brubaker who is the one that is actually doing the work on it and here's his book right here, you can get it out there on the kiosk, he's looked at over 4,000 manuscript variants that he has found, he's just printed 22 of them, this has done more damage to the Quran because he has found now that the Muslims cannot say that it's been preserved completely, some of them here are finding with insertions, others he's found with erasers, others he's found with, well just basically they're pasting over top of it. Look at all that. There's coverings. There's over eight coverings in just that one picture, that one page. And other times they tape over it. 4,000 of these consonantal differences. What about the Kira differences? If Hatun Tass was here, she'd stand up because she's the one that just destroyed all this. She did this, a five-foot-two woman back in 2016 when she went to look for these manuscripts. And she found that she found these first seven that were introduced in the 10th century.

52:04 These are completely different manuscripts. These do not agree. And these are the first seven that were chosen in the 10th century by Ibn Mujahid. But in the 12th century, Al-Shatabi was asked to choose two students from every one of those seven. And that's where this one finally gets chosen. And that was in the 12th century by Al-Shatabi. You'll see Hafs that I have in my hand today. He was chosen in the 12th century. But then Al-Jazari comes around and chooses another nine. Three Kira'ats and six Ruwayats. Rewayats. So now look, you have 7 plus 14 plus 3 plus 6. How many do you have? 30 different Qurans. 30 different Qurans. And the Hafts is the one that is chosen as the Quran for today. How many differences are there between the other 29 and that one that I've just circled? 93,000 differences.

52:50 It was Hatun Tash that went around the world and found all of these, and these are her Qurans. 26 of them. Just take a look at them there. Every one of them that's going up on the screen right now is different. You can buy them today. She's now found all 30 of them. We took them down to Speaker's Corner, and we decided to hold them up in 2016, 10 years ago. That's Hatun Tah. She's somewhere here, but she refuses to stand up. She doesn't like to be acknowledged. We took them down to Speaker's Corner, and we held them up so the whole world could see, and we filmed it. That went all over the world. As a result, Muhammad Hijab, that you see there on the right, he wanted to explain this. He said to all the Muslims, come to me. I will tell you what they're showing you. Don't listen to what they're showing you. Don't listen to what they're saying. I will explain it all. Four years later, in 2020, he had to go to Yasad Qadhi, who's on the right. That's Muhammad Hijab. And he says, he put his hand down and says, which Quran, which is the one that's eternal?

53:44 Which is the one of these 35, these 30, is the one that's in heaven that was sent to Muhammad? Give me the answer. And Yasad Qadhi said, do not ask me this question. We do not talk about this in public. This is the most difficult problem for the last thousand years. And people are looking at you as an emperor with no clothes because the scholars in the West have come leaps and bounds. He says, I've never preached in this. I've never talked about this for 25 years. Your standard narrative has holes in it. After 28 minutes, Muhammad Hijab put his hand out one more time. He says, I need an answer. Tell me, which is the Quran that's eternal? Finally he acknowledged, okay, they're all the Quran. A little bit of hafs, a little bit of warsh, and hikalu, hinkasah. Just mix them all around and that's the Quran you have today. Folks, here's two of them right here. These two.

54:36 There's over 5,000 differences between these two Qurans. Hafs and warsh. The hafs is used by 93% of the world's population. The warsh is used by only 3%. All across North Africa and Nigeria, this is the one they use. 5,000 different words, which means 5,000 different meanings, which means 5,000 different theologies, different practices, and different doctrines. Can you see how this completely destroys the Quran?

55:02 After two weeks, I was looking at all the, on both YouTube channels, all the comments, and there was hundreds upon hundreds of Muslims saying, I'm no longer Muslim. I'm now left Islam, and my blood is on your shoulders because you have told us there's not one word, not one letter, every word that is exactly the same because this book is eternal. According to chapter 85, verse 21 and 22, it has always existed, the Lao al-Mafuz, the preserved tablets. And according to chapter 10, verse 15, and chapter 18, verse 27, that no man can change God's word. Why? Because in chapter 15, verse 9, Allah guards it himself. And now you're telling me there's not just one or two, there's hundreds of thousands of differences. Can you see why? They're leaving Islam. They finally shut down all the comments. Within two months, by August, they had to shut down that interview from YouTube. But I have it right here on my computer. You can all have it. Every June 20th, just celebrate how that little girl, 5'2", destroyed the Quran just by finding these other Quran.

56:03 We're almost at the end. I want to end with this man here because this man has gone through an awful lot of work for us. So you say, well, where did this Quran come from then? Where is it all about? It has to have come from some area. So the man that you have to go to is this man here, Gunther Luling, who became a friend of mine. In the 1970s, he was looking at the Quran and looking at all these beautiful verses, these poetries. How could a man who could not read or write, Muhammad, write such beautiful poetry? And as you look at this poetry, he noticed, hold on a minute, I think I've seen that before. So he took off all the dots and all the vowels and got it down to its continental text, put Syriac dots and Syriac vowels on it, and what he found, all of a sudden, he realized that these were Christian hymns written by Christians in the 5th and 6th century.

56:49 Isn't that lovely? So Dr. Christoph Luxemburg decided to go one step further. He decided to go to all this hidden, these what they call the dark passages of the Quran. 25% of the Quran even the scholars don't understand he wanted to go to that part of the Quran and he wanted to do the same thing Guterlunin did so he took off all the dots and all the vowels and then he reproduced it introduced with the Syriac dots and vowels and he was able to find that all this dark passages he could reproduce and guess what they were lectionaries, homilies and hymns to Jesus Christ it all came back to Jesus it all comes back to Jesus so folks this is what I'm going to say let's ask this finally to end with this remember they make four claims about the Quran that it's eternal, sent down complete and unchanged we do not make that claim about the Bible, don't, this is not eternal, it's written by men we know who wrote it sent down, no inspired by God complete, yes the original manuscripts were complete, we don't have the original manuscripts so there are a few changes that have come down the last 2,000 years.

57:59 We know exactly where they are. And that's why we can trust 99.9% of them. So we don't make these four claims about our word of God. But we have just shut down. Do you notice their word of God? But you know, there's another word of God. His name is Jesus Christ. He is also the word of God who took on flesh and dwelt among us. So let's ask those four questions of him. Is Jesus eternal? Did Jesus come down? Is he complete? Yes. And has he ever changed? No. Bingo. The four things Muslims need for their word of God, we've got in Jesus Christ. Everything they're looking for, it comes back to Jesus. So, folks, let's bring them home to a much greater, a much better revelation. And what's his name? Jesus. I can't hear you. Jesus. Jesus. Let's pray.

58:51 Our Heavenly Father, as we've been going through this new material, this historical critique, as we've been going and seeing just how much you have put all these little pieces of coins, you've put these rock inscriptions, you've put these manuscripts that we can look at, you have put these little things all the way through so that we can argue this, we can look at this and know that the same argument that was thrown at you back in the 1800s by the schools there in Germany, we have answered every one of those criticisms. and now we're asking that you help us to be able to do the same with Islam. When we look at you and know what you did in history and we look at Muhammad and what he did in history, it's completely two different histories. Your history was recorded by those who knew you, those who loved you and wanted to make sure that that record was passed on from generation to generation. The Muslims forgot to do that, possibly because he never existed. So Lord, as we take this material out to the world, may we use it and always, every time we use it, may we always come back and do like with like.

59:50 If we're going to talk about Allah, let's make sure we introduce Yahweh. If we're going to talk about the Quran, let's make sure we introduce the Bible. If we're going to talk about Muhammad, for heaven's sake, let's get Jesus as an answer. Because you are the answer. You are the only answer. And you have been historically, you've been vetted by, for the last 200 years you've been vetted, and we have found nothing want with you. So Lord, as we go into the world now, we can be timid here, but may we be bold out there. May we take your name everywhere we go. and in everything we do, may we represent you. In Christ's name we pray, amen.