Aodhan King

0:02 I am clearly alone by myself actually in my study which looks more like a club scene but this is what I love. I love black light and modern art and so this is probably where I'm going to be shooting what is essentially like In Good Faith season 2.5 almost. my wife is not going to be present in the podcast for a while we are very much in love and it's not because we're separated or anything like that but she is going to take a break and I'm going to jump in and some of you may or may not be familiar with a thing we did kind of during the pandemic called hold the phone and we're going to channel some of those vibes if that's okay channel some of that energy and I am going to kind of call up friends of mine from all different walks of life and all over the world to have in some cases absolutely spontaneous interactions and conversations and I'm so excited about what will come of it and what's possible people have asked which by the way is so flattering that you've asked when's the next season coming out? Will it drop every week? All that kind of thing. It's going to kind of drop as we get content and as we record conversations. So it's going to be a little unpredictable. It's probably going to be reflective and indicative of my personality. So deal with it. It's going to have some spontaneity to it. And I'm super excited. And that starts right this second.

1:39 I am one day in to my 46th year. Yesterday was my 46th birthday. And I had a party last night at some of my best friends in the whole wide world. Their home was some of the most wonderful, beautiful human beings. We had a wonderful evening. I may or may not have smoked a cigar which is not probably the best habit in the whole wide world but it is fun and had my whole family there and the love of my life, Chelsea Renee and we are now both 46 I don't even know if I'm allowed to say her age but that is her age, my age and it's not that I like getting older I really do, I don't mind it at all but the number really had me hung up and that might sound strange to you but like 45 like Mike Jordan at the end of his career wore 45 like 45 has some like 44 was my high school basketball number you know what I mean 43 little awkward 42 Ronnie Lott amongst many others who wore the great number 42 but 46 no disrespect to great athletes who wore 46 but I just I don't I don't know of you. I don't know of them. And so it's oddly, it was just a troubling number. I woke up yesterday morning, truth be told, and I was just like, man, 46. It's kind of a wonky, middle of the road number. That like, when's the last time the number 46 came up in a conversation? I mean, honestly, not even 1946 or 2046. Like no one talks about 46. 46 has to be one of the most underused numbers in the history of humanity. Okay. That's how I feel. And I just turned 46.

3:37 And that brings me to a crazy story. At least I think it's crazy. And I'm really excited about it. Truth be told. Like I think I've said truth be told three times. Judah, let go of truth be told. Okay. So one of my best friends in the whole world hit me because I had no plans. Chelsea said I was grumpy about my birthday? 46, wouldn't you be? Like last night at my birthday party, some new friends were there who I love and totally respect. They're incredible people. And Chelsea stood there as I introduced them to my wife and our family. And she's like, he was really grumpy about his birthday. And I was like, babe, not right now. But these are new friends. Come on. But it's true. I was. So I woke up yesterday morning, just a little bit like ho-hum, right? I'm in the bathtub, which is how I start pretty much every morning of my life. Bubble bath, of course. Hello, obvious. And my friend hits me and says, do you want to golf?

4:30 And I'm like, yes. So I kept my son, Elliot, who's a senior in high school this year. I kept him home from school. I kept my daughter, who's a freshman, home from school. And my 20-year-old. Because I wanted to spend the day with him. So I took both of my boys and we went golfing. I get to the golf course. My friend was already there. He had already had a cart, golf cart with his clubs on it. And I'm super excited. Throw my clubs on. I'm going to do the driving. Get the boys all set. And off we go. About five holes into the round of golf, which we have played this golf course, I don't want to exaggerate, had to be at least 100 times. And I thought to myself, you know, it's weird. I usually look at the cart numbers. Like I love, you know what I mean? Number eight, Kobe. 24, Kobe. 23, Jordan. 23, LeBron. Number six, LeBron. You know, like all I love to equate like 80, Jerry Rice or whatever it is. 44, Hank Gathers, LMU, if you know, you know.

5:26 One of my favorite athletes all time. So I love equating numbers. 24, King Griffey Jr. I just have to say it. I can't not say King Griffey Jr. and 24. So my friend is teeing off. And I thought, I haven't looked at my golf cart number. And I turn around and look at the golf cart number. and ladies and gentlemen, of all the golf carts, which there has to be 200 golf carts at this golf course. Maybe there isn't that many, but there's a lot. Guess what cart number we had? And I hadn't even noticed it yet. Cart number 46. And I know that might sound dumb. Nobody planned it. I vetted the whole situation. It was literally just a little wink, a little nod, a little thumbs up from God, Like, yo, bro, 46 matters to me. You matter to me.

6:21 And this brings me to my thought. God's in the details. People say the devil's in the details. Is he? Maybe. But I know this much for sure. God is in the details. He's in your details. He's in the details and the numerical values of your life. He numbers the hairs on your head, the scripture says. He numbers your days before you live them. He chose your birthday. He chose the generation, the era, the history, the continent, the country, the heritage, the background. It is all precious, valuable, and significant to him. None of it is happenstance. None of it is an accident. None of it is just ho-hum. None of it is a throwaway concept. There are no throwaway days. There are no throwaway years. There are no throwaway numbers. they're all important.

7:15 And it's funny, isn't it? Because when I turn 50, it's going to be monumental. Well, why isn't this year monumental? Isn't it funny what we ascribe to as human beings? What we pretend to assume? Like, well, 46 can't be important because it's not an important number. Well, I think it's important to God. And I think on the golf course, he just kind of showed me that. That's all. He's just like, yo, bro, this matters to me. And you might think that's a silly little story, but here's the good news. I don't. And it brought significance and meaning to me. And if in some small way at the beginning of this podcast, in a moment, we're going to call a friend. And that's going to be awesome. And I can't wait to interview this extraordinary young man who, ladies, he is single. And he is looking for the love of his life. So please stay tuned on this episode, Season 2.5 of In Good Faith, where you're going to get more of me than you ever bargained for from my club-like den in my home.

8:13 Stay tuned because this young man is extraordinary and very handsome and gifted and talented and is about ready to put out some incredible art into the world. But I want to say to you, God is in your details. God's in the details of your day today. In fact, I'd like to think he'd like to give you a wink and a nod and a thumbs up today. If God can put me in cart 46 on the day of my 46th birthday, what little thing could he do for you to show you? Hummingbirds were my dad's favorite bird. And when little hummingbirds come around, I just get the sense it's God's little nod to me. Hey, I know you miss your dad, but I am your ultimate father. And I got you. It's extraordinary how God is in the details. And perhaps, maybe, what if you listened to this episode and started looking for God to be in the details?

9:14 Not the devil in the details. What does that even mean? And what was the outcome of that phrase and that statement that's been popularized in the Western culture? Why is the devil in the details? And I think that's a term that's probably more used in business and a figure of speech. And it's a colloquialism or whatever we call those. And that's great and all, but what a horrible way to move through the day. What if you and I believed God is in the actual details of my life on this day? And what if I looked for him? I wonder how that could change your human experience. I am, honestly, I got to be candid with you. I'm very, very excited about this chapter of In Good Faith. I really am. I'm very excited about this chapter in my marriage with my wife and the break that she's taking from this podcast, which is so right and healthy for her.

10:14 And I'm excited that I'm going to get to share this version of my life and where I'm at. And so if you like spontaneity, If you like things that are kind of top of mind and right out of my guts and heart, then I think this season is hopefully going to be inspiring. But more than that, there's so many podcasts. There are more podcasts in the world than I think there are burgers at McDonald's. Like, it's wild. But I hope in a way that this podcast adds value to your life. Yeah, I want it to add value to your life. So what if you believe today God's in the details and you looked for him in the details of your day? That'd be pretty cool. Be pretty awesome. Now, ladies and gentlemen, but mostly ladies, the next guest and kind of the first guest ever in good faith from my bizarre club-like office is a young man who some have called the petite prince of contemporary christian music okay that's ridiculous okay but he is a prince a prince of a man and his falsetto has been soothing souls since 2005 as he has written christian anthems sung around the world truth be told i think i met him when he was a young teenager and he's now in his early 30s.

11:48 He is again single and available. I love him so, so much and we're going to have a conversation. He has not been prepped in any way, shape or form. We're going to have a conversation and I'll probably just come up with some weird stuff on the spot just to get us talking but his story means so much to me. We have a real friendship and relationship even though he wasn't at my birthday party last night because I thought he was out of town and I didn't invite him because I thought he was on tour with the album and everything. So that's super awkward. That probably will come up as well. But without any further delay, gentlemen and ladies, I present to you Aiden King. Aiden King, I am so happy that you are here today on In Good Faith. You are a dear friend of mine. I got a full disclosure. in good faith is going to be kind of a solo venture for me for the next several months.

12:44 You are my very first guest. And I don't know if I'm supposed to look at the camera, if I'm supposed to look at you. Do you know what I mean? Like, I don't. It's so frustrating. I'm like, there's the camera up there. So am I looking at you or looking there? Anyways, I love you. And you look amazing. You look amazing. How are you feeling? Like at this exact moment, I want to know the emotion that Aiden King feels. If anyone does not know who Aiden King is, he is a dear friend of mine for many years. And he is a prodigy, a songwriting project, prodigy, prodigy.

13:27 Prodigy's good. Yeah, prodigy is a whole thing. And you're that too. But this man has written songs Like since 1992 Since before he was born Christian anthems sung all the way around the world And I love you so much But okay, Aiden, sincerely, right now What's the emotion you're feeling and why? I'm feeling really happy I miss Chelsea right now But I feel so happy What a day I'm so happy to be here Thanks for having me on You have been working really, really hard Your solo album is coming out October 18th. I think there's three songs released so far. I listened to them this morning. I listened to them before, full disclosure. But I listened to them this morning on the ride, taking my daughter to high school. And first of all, I love you and Pauly Cline combining forces, joining your worlds to sing Thank You, Jesus. It's so good.

14:24 Is that the title? Thank you, Jesus? Yeah. Well, we added in a few more words. Thank you so much, Jesus. Are you happy with the album? Are you nervous? What is that like for you? Yeah, I mean, yeah. Thank you for listening, by the way. That's really kind. Beautiful. Yeah, I feel excited, man. I mean, you've known me for ages. I've been a part of a lot of records before. I think doing one on your own feels like very different. I mean, you preach by yourself. Being out on your own feels very different. but I'm excited. I don't really know what to expect. I don't have expectations other than, you know, for me, I just knew that like, I felt like God was kind of calling me to do this for a long time. And I've been just so, uh, I procrastinated it for many years. So to finally be doing, it feels like in a lot of ways, like my own kind of just my getting over a mountain that I've kind of set for myself in a lot of ways. Why, um, why do you sing and why do you sing about Jesus? Other than that your falsetto has been melting hearts for 10 years. Why do you sing? Like for real? You know what I mean? Like, yeah, because you have to, because you just like, I don't know anything else to do. And I love it. I think I've always wanted to ask you that question. Yeah. It's a good question. Honestly, I think for me, like I remember, you know, I came to church when I was like 13, 14 years old. And I remember walking into a service and like not knowing anything, to be honest, I grew up like in a Catholic household. I went to a Catholic school.

16:03 So I knew about Jesus, but I didn't know that you could like be friends with Jesus, if you know what I mean. And I remember going into this service at Hillsong church. It was like a youth summer camp service. And, um, like I walked in, I remember just being like, what is going on? Like the worship was just something about it that felt like I always loved music, but there was something about worship that just felt like, I don't know, transcendent in some ways. Like I was connecting to God. I know that now, but at the time I was like, what is this? And, you know, over a couple of weeks of going, I remember being like, man, I don't know what happens in worship, but it's changing me. And it's making me like, making me want to love God more, making me want to like love people more. And I was like, I want to be a part of this. And, you know, I had at the time like no one in my family was musical like I didn't I didn't think I could sing you know like my favorite artist at the time was Michael Jackson so I would seem to like Michael Jackson stuff back but I had no idea like it kind of came out of necessity because I feel like my first experience of like encountering Jesus was through worship and so the language that I used to like speak to God or hear from God was worship and it felt like that was the only way that I could pray the only that I could talk to God was through singing.

17:17 And so I would just do it at home. And I would teach myself. I'd go on YouTube and watch videos. I just need to know how to do this because otherwise I don't know how to connect with God. That was just for me as a young teenager. To this day, it still feels that same way, to be honest. That's where you feel like your soul is connecting with God the most? Yeah, I think so. Not during my sermons. That's disappointing. That's up there. Yeah, yeah. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Oh, my word. You know what I mean, dude. Totally. Yeah. No, that means a lot because I think in a way that's why I talk about him. Because when I talk about him and prepare to talk about him and think about talking about him, I connect with him. And I think a lot of this, any of this, like any other vertical and institution and category and subculture can, And not that Jesus is a subculture, but oftentimes kind of the Christian circuit and Christian music and conferences becomes a bit of a subculture.

18:20 And like anything else, it can become kind of routine and just something that we do and go through the motions. And I think one of the reasons we have been friends for so long is that from day one, when you were a young man and I was a little younger, but you've always been much younger, is I could tell that this was like oxygen for you. This was like breathing for you. This was what brought you purpose and meaning in life. And I think, you know, what are we going to do? Another podcast of like Aiden King's first solo album. Pick it up in stores everywhere. October 18th. It's called Beyond Us. You know, like I think a lot of that's rhetoric and white noise and kind of old news. I think the thing that sets you apart and makes you very unique. Today, I got chills listening to you and Polly. I know both of your stories. stories, you and Paul Klein, that is, and listening to you both thank Jesus, I felt like I connected deeply with why you were thanking him. I know a little bit about your family. I know Polly's story, and it meant a lot to me because it was coming not from a, let's put a good record together, but I think it's coming from, this is what has brought me meaning and purpose in life. Totally. Yeah. I'm glad that that comes across. And yeah. I mean, yeah, the Paul one's so interesting because like, you know, Paul's obviously been a friend to both of us for so long. And I remember, you know, coming at the first trip that we ever kind of did as young and free. So, um, was probably around like probably 2013. I remember at the time, you know, we were based in Australia, obviously. And Paul was leading worship at church home.

20:05 and I remember um Scotty one of our friends was like hey man like you know you got to meet this Paul guy uh and this was before he had started Laney and um Scotty was like dude you need to meet this Paul guy like I don't know what you guys are thinking with Young and Free but like maybe there's like an American branch of Young and Free like you should meet Paul like maybe he could be like the Young and Free guy in America and so I flew over um from Sydney and we wrote some worship songs back then and I was like this guy's so cool um and it was like all right cool maybe this could work. And then, you know, obviously Laney blows up, his life goes on a whole different trajectory, but we had always talked, like, wouldn't it be so cool to just kind of like write a worship song? I know that he had always wanted to. And, um, and to be honest, at the time it wasn't because I was trying to make a record. Like it was really just like, Hey, like we talked about it and it was like, let's just do it. Who knows what will happen to it with it. And we wrote it. And, you know, very quickly it was like, I think we need to put this out.

21:02 And he was like, he called me the next day. He's like, dude, like, he's like i need to i need to sing that song and like i was like oh yeah i'm like if you want to he's like can i sing on on the on the record with you i'm like i mean yes dude i'm like if you want to do that for sure so like that has felt really special too i know it's really cool that's well it means it means a lot to me because of our journey together and our history and in fact paul klein's joining us right now i'm kidding I should have got him on. I should have got him on. You two. Devastated that he's not on this, I reckon. Yeah, that's right. And Paul, when you see this, just know. We thought about you, but didn't reach out. We just wanted to. You're on tour.

21:50 That's right. Paul would just sit quietly during this interview. Was he at your birthday or no? he was ladies and gentlemen i had a birthday party last night i thought aiden was out of town paul klein's out of town didn't invite either one of them assuming aiden was somewhere in the world because of our remote interview today and uh i'm in grief i cannot believe aiden i had a birthday party and did not invite that's okay i was just at home just sitting there well that that brings us to a question I have to ask you. Are you single? I am single, yeah. Are you ready to mingle? Like, Judah, you're not doing that. Not here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not here, not here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're just dedicated to your craft at this point? Yeah, pretty much. I'm married to the craft. I'm married to the call. Wow. Wow. That is gorgeous.

22:46 No, but I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. You're ready. Oh, you heard it first here, ladies and gentlemen. He's ready. Wow. That's massive. I got a really interesting question out of sheer curiosity. Okay. Let's go back to that 13, 14-year-old. And I don't know if anyone can hear my dog barking. I cannot get him to stop barking. So it just is what it is. I don't think you can hear, but he's deep in the caverns of my home. but like my home has caverns. Okay, bro, relax.

23:19 You're 13, 14, walking in to church. Yeah. What did you feel and how has that feeling changed or evolved over the years? That's a really good question. You know, when I first, I think the first thing I noticed was just like, there was a joy in the room. there was this like wow i don't know what it was i mean i was 13 14 so it's hard to like hard to pinpoint what it was but i remember being like okay these people know something i don't know they're connecting with someone or something you know that feels like more important than like talking to the person next to them and i remember that being a big deal because i was coming in on like looking for like you know the pretty girls like there was like you know there's this skate parks outside i'm like that was kind of my focus but i was like how there's like there's so much cool things going on around the building and whatever i was like how is it that this like worship moment or this like service moment is like is taking their attention over the other things and that was the first thing i noticed wow and to be honest it was like i don't know it was like this beautiful like euphoric you know moment i think how it's changed i think over the years it's changed because you start to understand it more you know and like you can you can start to predict predict it or you think you can i know we both know that you can't predict what god will do but like that and you know so over the years there's moments where you become not cynical but you can almost just be like ah yeah and i i think i always like like i people always talk about like you know going back to your first love at that moment that road like romantic moment like i have to always kind of remind myself like those experiences and those feelings which you know are completely subjective like they can happen again and i'm not in control of when god moves and that kind of keeps me excited if that makes sense yeah yeah so that's

25:26 how the feeling has changed i think my admiration for god and like my awe of like who he is and like what Jesus can do hasn't changed but I think my like I guess like maybe like the seriousness of a move of God like my feelings towards what God can do like I take that more seriously than I did back then it was like I feel like when I was younger it was way more about like what God can do for me like I'm in this room wow like I want to feel this feeling like worshiping God was way more about like, oh my God, I just love Jesus. Like, thank you for making me feel so good right now in your presence. Now I'm like, well, I walk into settings like that and it's like, it's not really about me. And that's easier to say than it is to do, but yeah. It is. It is. Okay. You're in an elevator and there's three people in the elevator. You make four. You're going from floor zero to floor 18. And there's three people in that elevator. And And those three people feel lost.

26:28 They feel broken. They feel hurt. Life is unpredictable. The challenges of wars and rumors of wars and divisiveness and division and racism and injustice and famines and hurricanes and all these things. And you have 18 floors, which is approximately three minutes in an elevator. They look at you, Aidan King, and they go, wait, all right. So you must know God. You sing about him. you got albums about them you've been doing this all over the world what do you say to those people in a matter of moments i'm not trying to put you on the spot as much as i'm asking yeah with people who are hurting and broken because i i do believe one of the things about your music that i love is i think it has a soothing healing quality and honestly if anyone's watching and you're not familiar with aiden or you're not familiar with me and our passion in good faith is to explore a platform where people can come and not feel like they have to believe what I believe or believe what Aiden believes or believe what Chelsea believes. But what do you believe? Let's explore that and let's ask the hard questions, the painful questions and the difficult questions.

27:37 And yeah, I would just love to know in that brief elevator ride, a matter of moments and seconds, what would you say to those people who are genuinely hurting genuinely want to know what will make a difference and what will help they feel overwhelmed they feel like nothing's making a difference in this life um there's no right or wrong answer here yeah but i i love your authenticity aiden and i love your genuine connection to god which i think is is refreshing to say the least. So what would you say in that elevator ride to those three humans? Yeah, I mean, it's like, yeah, I feel like that's kind of like something I'm faced with every day, you know, in a lot of ways. I found like I'm not like the best evangelist, you know, sometimes I find it hard to articulate like what it is that like, well, sometimes I find it hard to articulate who God is when I have a lifetime of experiences of connecting with God.

28:44 I think my main thing would just be listening. I've always found that listening to what people are going through is like actually just being like just listening without judgment has been like the thing that for me changed my life. Like I wouldn't have gone to church if I didn't feel heard by the people that invited me or like told me about Jesus. So that would be one. But I think as simple as it just – if I've got three minutes, it's just like, hey, give Jesus a go. It doesn't have to be this whole thing. It's just like, just give it a go. If things are hard and things are like – which they are right now for everybody, I'm like, what are you to lose? That's always been even just to me. It's like if I have doubts, it's like, well, I'm just going to give Jesus a go. I'm going to talk to Jesus about this. I believe that Jesus is real. and he's real to me. But like, you know, I, yeah, I'm trying to think like, wow.

29:41 Yeah. Just give Jesus a go. Like it's, what are you going to lose? I love that. And I think that's probably indicative of who you are. I think that's your story. You gave Jesus a go, not religion, not formality, not production, not systems, but you gave Jesus a go. And I think in a way, and that's very Aussie of you to say, which I love, give Jesus a go. Give him a go to me. Give him a go. I'm a Jew. You can't do the accent. But I think we share that, you and me. It's like, man, how is what you're doing now working, trying to be the master and commander of your own destiny in life? Why not let go and trust? I even say to people just trust that there's a divine being that that that loves you and perhaps that divine being will reveal themselves to you and show you who they really are that in fact God perhaps could be a person like us and that's why he made persons um yeah and though he's nothing like us he's everything like us and we're like him um so I agree and I think I think that comes through in your art, man. I really do. There's no pressure with Aiden King. There's never been pressure with you. You're not a, you're not a closer. And I mean that in the highest compliment, you're not trying to close some sort of deal or some sort of agenda. You are very good at being present with people, listening, caring for them, being sensitive. And I really, really feel that in your art. And I know that beyond us is going to, I think, heal and help a lot of people. That's the solo album out October. No, thank you. Yeah. I, yeah. I mean, I, I mean, to be honest, like the, you know, this, the record in a lot of ways, like beyond us, like the title is kind of what we're talking about. It's like that idea of letting go. I, for me, this period of time, like there's been a lot of changes in my life personally, you know, with Hillsong and, um,

31:46 moving to America and just a lot of stuff like that, that I feel like has been so obviously out of my control that like if i didn't believe in god like i actually don't know how i would i don't know how i could make sense of things like i think you know for people that you know are out there who are going like what is going on in life like things just i have no control it's like yeah because you don't like god is in control and the record for me was like this process of going hey like god is beyond beyond me it's beyond all of us he his ways are higher right? His plans are like far greater. And, you know, we hear that stuff all the time in church, like, you know, God can do exceedingly abundantly more than you could have asked all that stuff. We hear that. But for me, like, that was really like what my life has looked like the last couple of years. It's like, okay, like there's so many things that I've planned on my own. Like, you know, I moved here to like, to do a pop record. Like I moved to America to do that. Like I uprooted my life, left the community that I had been a part of for so many years. Like I've done these things like going, okay, I've got it lined up on paper. This looks perfect. I'm going to sign this deal.

32:49 I'm going to do this. It's going to be great. It's going to work. And like, none of that, like it all fell apart, but not, not because, because I just wasn't in control in the first place. And the peace that I've found in knowing that, you know what, like as hard as it sounds, like I'm going to trust God, he knows the way he's going to open the right doors, close the wrong ones. That has been like, if there's any, like for me, that's what my faith has looked like. And especially in these last couple of years, and I haven't had to exercise that till now. And so, you know, for somebody in the lift, it's like, it's okay to like, to, to, to kind of let go. Like if you take your hands off the wheel, it's actually, and give it to God, like it's, you're going to go to places that you didn't, you could never have imagined or hoped you would go to you know i love that that that's you that that that is aiden the trust that you have had in god in this whole process i hope really speaks to people uh that are listening um what do you if at all regret about being someone who um records songs and musics and makes and makes art and albums. Do you regret anything?

34:08 Um... yeah I mean some days I would say I do I think like now I would say like in light of this conversation I feel like I don't have like regrets because I feel like there's definitely things I'm like man what would have happened if I've done this of course like if I'd chosen to go this way would it look different but I think I I kind of am like loving this like just riding this wave of like okay god whatever and like kind of removing expectations which i don't think is always i think it's good to have expectations i think it's like important but for me it's like that's part of me is like i'm a perfectionist so i want everything to be lined up like i have ocd like i want things to work and i think like like if i look at it through that lens and yeah i have regrets but now i feel like you know what no like everything has led me to this point to being on this call with you which is like insane you know i i i it's amazing to think that i'm on a call with you truly i know that sounds insane but like i like i've loved you for so long i've looked up to you you've been made like such an amazing friend and like like a pastor to me that like even doing this call is like man only god could have known because i was like a young guy like i was in youth group when you would come and preach and i talked to you about this before and i don't want to like get all like like this on you like mushy and stuff but like i i would be in these youth conferences and you would come from America and I'd be like, man, your message has literally changed my life, truly, and what you shared.

35:35 And I think even, I know this sounds funny, but even this morning I was listening to this Young and Free record that hopefully one day the world will hear. And there's that snippet, I showed it to you and you hated me when I played it to you, but it's like your prophecy over Young and Free like in 2011 which is you know gone back what it's like 13 14 years ago where you prophesied over our youth group that young and free would begin before and at that point dude i wasn't i could hardly even like i was i wasn't doing anything and then all of a sudden we're doing young and free i think like this said yes sorry i just got mush for a second but i love it you're so kind to me thank you um if you could predict yeah what does your wife look like judah you can't ask that question oh man oh okay we're gonna play we're gonna play you're by the way your kind words mean the world to me ladies and gentlemen in case you're not picking up it just means i'm so much older than Aiden. How old are you now?

36:45 31. 32 this year. Oh my word. You look and I just turned 46. We are in this. Really? This is wild. 46. Oh man, I thought you turned 40. That's the man I love. That's the man I love. Okay, we're going to play a game I just invented. It's called Rock, Paper, Scissors. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're going to choose one. It's not the Rock, Paper, Scissors. It's Rock is that's my jam. Paper is that's something I'm writing on and considering. Scissors is that's what I'm cutting out of my life. Rock, paper, scissors. Okay. So like if I asked you about waffles, you would choose rock, paper, scissors. Papers is I'm still thinking about waffles. Scissors is I cut that out of my life. Rock is I love waffles and I'm all about it. Yeah. Okay. Does that make sense? Yeah. I love it. Rock, paper, scissors, Aiden.

37:38 Yeah. Social media. Paper. Why? I hate social media, like everyone would say. But also, it's like it feels like it's necessary for the things that we want to do and the things that we feel called to do. So, like, I wish it could be scissors. But I feel like it's – That's what I'm asking. Yeah, I wish it could be scissors, but it's like, it feels like the tool that we have right now. Technology is like the tool. Very fair. Okay. Yeah. Rock, paper, scissors. Carbs.

38:15 Bro. It should be scissors. It's rock right now. I ate pizza last night and I had bread this morning, so I don't know what to say. It needs to be scissors, though. Trust me. It needs to be scissors. I want to wear those jeans that I wore when I was 14. Yes. Oh, man. They're called nudie jeans. No one be offended. It's a brand. I deal with it. Okay. Rock, paper, scissors, Aiden King, online dating?

38:49 Paper. Oh, I like it. Why? Well, I haven't really done much online dating at all. much so they would it would be it would naturally be scissors but not by choice but it like dude i don't know like how are you meant to meet people this day these days like at church definitely maybe like out of the cafe like i would love for it to be like you're at a cafe and you're like hey what's up but like that's the dream i know well how was how was you and chelsea how did that happen aiden you know the story remember our moms were best friends and they were praying together They're with us at the same time. And they said, let's arrange. You have a girl. I have a boy. And we'll get them married. And that's our story. My only girlfriend. I am not her only boyfriend, though. Let me be very, very clear. We actually outlined this last night at my birthday party, which you weren't at, with some new friends of mine telling them our story. So, yeah, our story is bizarre and weird.

39:43 And it's kind of outlier. I think arranged is good. My mom's Indian, so they do arranged marriages there. I'd be down. Bro, it's your heritage. For real. This is something I could arrange it. If you arrange it, that could work. Okay. All right. Well, let's get back to our game, rock, paper, scissors.

40:04 Rock, paper, scissors. Oh, I had a good one, but I can't say it. I don't have the courage to say it. I don't have the courage to say it. So I'm going to go rock, paper, scissors, working out. rock really what are you doing right now well it's i mean it's that that's that was more of a statement of faith oh okay i didn't know we could play i didn't know that's how we could play this game this is unbelievable if i say if i was to save papers at paper it like put it it gives me an excuse that i'm like working on it i i try to walk every day my my goal at the moment But I have a bulging disc. I didn't know that. Yeah, I don't know how it happened. It just happened.

40:57 So I used to love to run. I know, it's so annoying. But I like tennis. I play tennis. A bit of golf here and there. Not good, though. I would say Rob. I think you're good at golf. I think you have a good heart. Like, Judah, we know what that means. You've seen me play golf. It's actually... When you act like we're not friends anymore I come to my birthday party Now you're asking weird questions like Have you seen me golf? Yeah bro I've also seen you play the guitar Rock, paper, scissors, YouTube YouTube? The band You too, the band The band Rock I like them Rock, paper, scissors Tupac Shakur rock whoa rock paper scissors boys to men rock 100 dude whoa that's a lot of rocks in your arsenal yeah there would be a lot of rocks on the music side i think okay okay that was good hold on a second rock paper scissors reading books yeah paper well i'm sorry mine is scissors but jesus is really?

42:19 Yeah, bro. I'm not here reading. If reading articles count, rock. I read articles every day. Rock. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Rock on articles. On books, hard. No. I don't think I've finished a book, dude, ever. Is that bad? Ever. I don't think I've ever. Wait, not even any of the books I wrote? Oh, yeah. I finished those, yeah. Okay. Rock, paper, scissors, lying. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Hey, I don't understand this. I'm dead serious and I want everyone to hear this on In Good Faith. Why don't we count reading articles as reading? It's like somehow the constitution of content is so much significantly more important if it's like positioned between two thicker cardboard pieces called covers. Like I'm just annoyed. Why can't I be a reader? Because leaders are readers and readers are leaders. I read articles all day, like not all day, every day, but every day.

43:14 And it's stimulating and exciting, and I enjoy it. And some are about golf and some are about culture and some are about politics and some are about global warming and the weather. But, yeah, fashion. I read an article today about the Met Gala and the new board from the Met Gala this year. LeBron James is going to be on the Met Gala board. It's awesome. So I just, yeah. Aiden, we need to let the world know. We're reading. Well, because snacking is still eating.

43:44 So I don't know what's going on. How about consume that out there, folks? Wow, you heard it here first. Snacking is still eating. Okay, okay. Rock, paper, scissors. Snacks. It's actually paper for me. I'm not a snacker, dude. I'm not. Okay. I do have a banana here, though, just in case. Yeah, and I don't even think we can count that as a snack. I think that's just called produce. That would be a meal, right? yeah i would eat that as snacks and then maybe i am a snacker because dude i eat a lot though like i i think i have an elastic stomach legitimately like i don't get i actually didn't know that about you that you ate a lot do you think that's why you're single judah you can't say that dude that's so good jason kennedy would say that oh he would say yeah yeah jason's not here Paul's not here so deal with it um Aiden King here's a here's a question in conclusion that my dad loved to ask okay and it's way it's way out there by the way rock paper scissors might be a thing I do I just came up with that today on this episode like brand you made that up on the spot just then yeah on the spot right here right now it's actually so good that's right it's be fun yeah i think i'm gonna ask more people about rock paper scissors like i'm really excited it makes you think it's really good really good you did you did so great uh what do you want on your tombstone i'm not even sure that matters as much like i look back now my favorite question of my father as a point of reference like what what do you think life is all about so what do you want on your tombstone?

45:32 No bad answers, no wrong answers, no right answers. Aiden King, that's a million miles away, a million years away. You're young and healthy and just starting, but what do you want on your tombstone? Oh my dude. That's a lot. Like, vibed out.

45:54 What does that mean? I don't know. He just vibed. I just vibed. Dude, I just... that is the single worst answer anyone has ever given that question vibed out i'm kidding i'm kidding that's so mean to say that you know yeah just i vibed it i don't know i i mean that's you and i love you for it that is what you want to do you want everyone to feel safe and loved and seen and and connected and confluence i'm just putting verbiage to vibed out i love the word confluence Yeah, it's a good word, isn't it? Yeah. So good. That's what we're doing right now. Well, what's yours? What's on your tombstone, though? Just for reference. Hooper. Hooper. Yeah, just he hooped. He hooped, yeah. No, honestly.

46:47 Would you put your handicap on it? Not right now. Not at this moment, but as it returns to its former glory, for sure, Aiden. Thanks for asking. Yeah, thanks for asking. um no i just want to be i i just i just i love's got to be on there somewhere and loving jesus not even just god for me it's this person of jesus that i'm obsessed with and then like because of that i've really loved humans and i just want um yeah i've lost a lot of friends recently so sometimes my head plays games on me and i'm like do i not love people because friends have come and left my life, but I think that's a normal occurrence. And now we're digressing here in these moments. But yeah, so I have like played that out. My dad, it was such a predominant question. He would use it in this sermon series that he did that we traveled with all over the country and this country.

47:43 And so, yeah, I thought about it a lot, but I love Jesus and I love humans and I'm team human, you know what I mean? Like that's my team. I rep that team. I ride hard for that team. And so that brings us to one last question. You have one sports team to be a investor or owner of in the whole wide world. You can have a part ownership or primary ownership of what sports organization in the whole world, Aiden King and why. Seattle Seahawks. I hate you so much. Lying, rock, paper, scissors. Rock. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. It would be Manchester United. I knew that. You know what's weird? We must be brothers. Yeah. Because I could have answered for you, and that makes me happy today.

48:37 And I did your answer. You did. Yeah. You did. Yeah. Yeah. People don't know, bro, but we're connected. I know. Last night would have been so fun, dude. Aiden, that is the only way we can end this conversation. I'm so sorry for not inviting you to my party. We had black lights there. No, I'm kidding. We didn't. Why do I love black lights so much, by the way? Your vibe is very different to mine right now. We're in different worlds. Yeah, we're like in different worlds and we're like down the street from each other. And I didn't know that. That's why I didn't invite you to my party. But anyways, I love you desperately, dearly. I really do want anyone. If this podcast is helpful for people to remember that Beyond Us, October 18th, is the new and first solo album from one of the great falsettos. In all of stinging them.

49:38 stinging them bro that's not a term in all of singing them I have never the falsetto that you are is amazing I love you Aiden I wish you godspeed online dating you know I'm here to help we're gonna find her we're gonna find her she's out there probably watching this right now she could be anything you want to say to her or are we done I love you so much I love you, bro. That was the best. Thanks for having me. I'm so glad you did that. Thank you, bro. Thank you for taking time out of your day. And I hope that that, certainly I hope more people buy this album than you ever possibly comprehended or imagined. But it means a lot that you came on in good faith. No, thank you.