Trang Green

0:02 Hey, welcome to another episode of In Good Faith. If you're just catching up with us from the seasons that have been, this is the season, tis the season of just me. Chels is not in this season, it's just me, so I am recording from my den where I have black lights and all these ridiculous trinkets because apparently I'm 46 going on 12. um man i'm i'm so excited to share this episode with you all um the individual i'm about to interview here in a few moments is train green and her story i would i would say her story is going to be one of the most extraordinary stories you've ever heard in your entire life and so buckle your seatbelts she is a force she is hilarious and her and her husband are some of the dearest, nearest friends to Chelsea and I. We love them. She is the founder and chairwoman for Dress for Success in Oklahoma. She authored that chapter in Oklahoma, and the work that she does for incarcerated women in Oklahoma is unprecedented, and it goes all the way to presenting her case before governing bodies and such. But her backstory, her family story is going to blow your mind. I say that to say, I currently, in recording this, have a canker sore. I don't know if you ever get those like sores in your mouth, but they're just so annoying and they're little. The man they're agitating.

1:46 And have you ever, I don't know if you've ever been here, but you know, for those watching, I mean, I'm a God worshiper, Jesus follower. He's changed my life, and I love to follow in the footsteps of Jesus. And sometimes I just kind of complain to him. I'll just be like, you know, God, what's up with the sore in my mouth? I'm going to catch a break. Yesterday, I played a golf match in a tournament I was in, and I lost. I lost to a really kind man who doesn't play golf as well as me, but I lost to him. It was like, you know, kind of upset with God. I really am. And you can probably not be silly and ridiculous because I think it is, but just complaining about losing a golf match and having a sore in my mouth. And suddenly you have a conversation with somebody, with some human whose story, puts everything in perspective.

2:49 And that is in fact, what's happened today with Trang. I know her story. I love her story and it's impacted me deeply. But today again, it has hit me in the most meaningful and significant way. In a moment, you'll see, we will share tears together and I can't hold them back. Um, as the extraordinary story of her mother and father put life in perspective. Do you need some perspective today? Are you like me? Are you thinking about... I'm not saying God didn't care about your golf match and your kankosaurs. He does. But sometimes we need perspective. Sometimes we need scale. Sometimes we need to realize what really matters. What's really important. Perspective and scale often come in the form of this little attitude called gratitude.

3:47 That's how it settles in over us. Suddenly you start to see the things, not that you don't have, like a win at a golf match. The things you don't have, like a mouth without sores. But you start to see the things that you do have. And you start to just genuinely, from your guts, get grateful. And just say, God, I thank you for my wife. Thank you for my kids. my middle son my second son Judah Elliot Wendell Smith is about to turn 18 years old by the time this airs he'll be 18 6 foot 5 some 195 pounds my 18 year old who carries my name and my father's name it's wild God thank you for my sons thank you for my daughter Thank you for my family.

4:46 Thank you for the gifts and abilities that you have given me. And all of a sudden, scale settles in. Perspective settles in. And it can revolutionize the day you're living. It can. So I'm not going to hold back. I think this episode has the power to do that for you. It did it for me. perhaps you've not heard train cream speak before or share her story you are in for an extraordinary journey and a real gift today and i almost want to give you a guarantee you listen to this episode all the way through you're going to get some scale you're going to get some perspective and perhaps some of the painful difficult things in your life will be overrun and overcome and overwhelmed by the beauty and the gifts and the blessings you do have. We need perspective.

5:45 We probably need perspective more today than we've ever needed it before. I am honestly, truly enjoying this season. I love doing this podcast with my wife. And yet this season, it's just me. And I'm enjoying our time together. I'm enjoying the conversations with friends. I'm grateful that you have joined us for In Good Faith Season 3, I believe is what we've numbered this one. So without any further delay, ladies and gentlemen, my friend and extraordinary human being, Frank Green. Here we go. I'm so excited to have one of my truest friends on the podcast. As you know, this is an unprecedented season where Chelsea is absent and we can finally have the fun we want to have. I'm kidding.

6:41 Everybody relax. I'm kidding. Trang Green is here, one of our dearest and nearest friends. She is the founder and chairwoman of Dress for Success in Oklahoma. But let me tell you, her story is one of the most compelling and the way Trang tells it, hilarious. But you are looking at one of my favorite humans on planet earth train green how are you good hi everybody i'm so excited you're here i so love chelsea and you're right though like now that she's not here to reel you back so you're gonna be unhinged this season so i just can't wait i'm apparently in a club now like i've totally changed the vibe you kind of look like you're in like a club I don't know if it's a DJ that's going to pop out in the back.

7:37 I don't know what's happening. This is my Austin guest. This is how manic I am. Am I your first guest on the season with Elle? You are the third guest. I'm sorry, but three is a really good number. Three is a great number. Really good number. Okay, so your family immigrated from Vietnam, and your story is so incredible. Your story is almost as glowy as your skin, and I'm so sick and tired of your, I don't know what your skin routine is. We had Dr. Caroline Leaf this year. She's 62 and she has the skin of a 12 year old. You have a skin of a newborn child and I'm tired of it. To be honest, I'm sick and tired of it, but you don't have to tell us your skin routine if you don't want to, but could you kind of weave that in to your extraordinary story? Well, the first step is to be Asian. so i don't know what can routine i can help you with that um but being asian really helps it's a genetic thing my mom has great skin too you know um we also don't like sun so sunscreen has always been a big thing like my mom used to put sunscreen and everything wear hats i mean you see asian people they wear hats all the time outside and even in vietnam like wear like long sleeves like they don't like their skin to be exposed so like just cut back on the tanning people out there. I wash my face every night. I never go to bed with a full face of makeup.

9:04 And then you buy just good quality makeup. That's what you do. I got to change my makeup routine. That's what it is, honestly. I mean, Chels has great skin, so you should ask her. She does. That's cool. Yeah. Okay. So I guess my story, how I ended up in like Oklahoma, like out of all the places, you know, like in the world. Yeah. So my parents are from Vietnam. So I'm Vietnamese. They're from South Vietnam though. So people out there who know the history of the Vietnam war and all that stuff. So it was the South versus the North. And so when the South fell, my parents made a decision that they needed to leave Vietnam, come to America, just leave in general for a better life. Now, my mom was eight months pregnant with my older sister at that time. And so they left Vietnam when she was eight months pregnant on a boat, like a little boat with dozens of other people on this little boat. My dad always loves telling us the story that like he was the captain.

10:02 I'm like, yeah, like I was like the captain of this boat and I saved everybody. I'm like, OK, cool. So he tells the story, which is like heroic, amazing. And, you know, like my parents were I grew up Catholic, so they're devout Catholics. And my dad always said like the biggest prayer he had before, I think they tried to escape a total of six times and they were caught every time thrown in prison. And then they were releasing people pretty quickly through the prisons because everybody was escaping at that time. But my mom was, again, almost eight months pregnant at that time. So they didn't leave her incarcerated alone. But every time they were released, they tried again and again. and how you snuck out of the country at that time is when my dad said that you load everyone on the boat, this little dinghy that they would make. They would have a motor on the little boat, but they would swim behind the boat and everybody would be on the boat and just a handful of guys would swim behind it to push it so far out of the dock before they could cut the engine on.

11:00 Because when you turn the engine on, the people that were monitoring the marina area would start shooting in the dark at wherever that noise was, right? because they didn't want people escaping. So that's what they did like a total of six plus times before they were finally able to get far enough out, cut the engine on, everyone jump on the boat and was able to leave. So fast forward to when they were able to actually escape Vietnam. My mom and dad were at sea for about two weeks, just floating. And they had... Eight months pregnant. Eight months pregnant, right. And you know, women out there, You know what they tell you when you're eight months pregnant. You can't fly. You're not supposed to be on a horse. Definitely not on a boat. Go do your prenatal visits, all the things. And my mom was like, no, like we can't have our first child here in this country. We got to go.

11:52 So that's what they did. They were prayerful about it. My dad said the biggest prayer he had was he prayed that God would save everybody on that boat because they heard stories, right? Pirates were a real thing. People were actually stopped because everyone knew that people were escaping Vietnam during this time, the boat people. So pirates would come and like rob them, right? Like find these boats of refugees, take the women, take their jewelry or whatever they had taken to start over in a new country, take their food and then just leave them honestly to die out in the middle of nowhere. Take their gas, whatever they had on the little boat. So my dad said they were robbed a total of three times on this little dinghy. So like food was dwindling. And he said, and again, he was like, I just being really prayerful. Like we just need to end up on some land that was not in Vietnam. He knew the direction he was going. But again, there was no maps. There were no compasses. So he was just like being very prayerful about it. So on the third time, he's pitch black. And you can imagine like in the middle of the ocean with no lights, you're just like sitting there waiting for the sunlight to come back up so you can go ahead and start your journey again in the morning. at night he could hear boats and lights from a pirate boat coming towards them and he was like oh no not again he's like we really truly have no more food and jewelry and all the things that they want left on this boat um and so when they they came to the boat they went through everything and sure enough there wasn't really anything for them to take um my mom was eight months pregnant so they like left her alone but i had my aunt my mom's sister was on the boat and she was a younger, very beautiful lady at that time. Right. So they were like, okay, well, we're going to take her. And so my mom being a very fierce, brave person, and she's always been like this, got up, walked over there, did not speak a lick of, um, I think those, my parents said they were maybe Cambodian, um, did not speak the language. And all she said was my sister, my sister, and got down on her hands and knees. It was like praying about it, like in front of these pirates. And so they were like arguing and fighting with her, kind of like, oh, no,

14:00 we're going to take some of the girls kind of deal, like pulling them away from my mom. My mom was like fighting back eight months pregnant. At that moment, Judah, a helicopter flew over the boat and hit a spotlight on my parents' boat. OK. And in English, it's like, we see you. We see you. We're coming for you. And so the pirates got like obviously scared, jumped all back on their boat went off 30 45 minutes later an oil tanker a big oil tanker from canada pulled up and took everybody on that boat so like honestly prayer works faith works moment my parents were saved and then they dropped them off in malaysia that's where they ended up at the refugee camp there had my sister obviously within a month of being there at the refugee camp and then you know not much to do at the refugee camp so they got pregnant again I knew this part of the story was coming so I was conceived and born at the refugee camp okay so I mean it's funny but it's not right I mean it's it's your your humor helps what is one of the most unprecedented stories I've ever heard and certainly ever had relationship with someone your story is unprecedented. I don't want to skip, but when you get towards the end, tell us how that has impacted your worldview and your perspective. And now raising your own two beautiful daughters. I love your baby girls. They're precious. How is that effective? But make sure you finish this story. Yes. So born at the refugee camp. And so since I was born, they couldn't let my parents immigrate. So when they got there, all my aunts and uncles went to other countries. So we have aunts and uncles in California and then in Germany and in Canada.

15:52 So like we're just dispersed everywhere on my mom and dad's site. Right. And then I had an uncle that never made it to the refugee camp. His boat sank. And so he died at sea. So I'm telling you this when I said this was like a crazy journey that my parents risked their lives. They did. And, you know, all for this, for this life that I'm living now. And so fast forward to all of the states that they could have chosen. We came to Oklahoma and I love Oklahoma so much now, but you know, like they're like, oh yeah, Oklahoma. Sure. Why not? Not New York, not California, not Florida, nothing, nothing like that. So we came to Oklahoma. I grew up here. My parents had three more kiddos. Okay. So they are, they're American citizens right off the bat because they were, you know, born and conceived here. But, um, so five kids total. And then when I was in first grade, my parents were on a routine, right? So they each worked like two, three jobs. We lived in government housing. We lived in a two bedroom apartment with seven people on food stamps, all the things working hard, you know, American dream. And I, my parents took English classes at night. So they worked during the day, like anything that they could do just to raise all of us, but they worked so hard. And I remember the significantly this day because the routine was off. My parents are like creatures of the habits. They have routine and they like to stick with it. I remember at school this day, it was my mom that picked us up instead of my dad.

17:12 And I just thought it was odd because I was like, well, where's dad? Didn't say anything. Dad didn't see dad for a couple of weeks. And then finally, my mom took us, all five of us downtown to this tall red building. Now that I know what it is, it was the Oklahoma County Jail. And then I saw my dad behind a glass, a glass wall. And I was like, what's going on? I don't know what's going on. I was in first grade at this time. And then that's when I realized that my dad was like in jail, like was in prison. And again, first grade, didn't understand what was going on. I just remember my mom being so sad. And then she was left to raise us five, barely knowing the language, working three jobs on the food, all the things, trying to make sure we all behaved and we're like good kids, you know, and she did an incredible job. And I'm, she's a tough woman. When I say I am cut from her cloth. I'm so proud that I am. But she did that, right? Fast forward till when I was a sophomore in high school. So Judah, when I was, since I was in first grade, all the way until I was in high school, sophomore, junior, my dad was released because he was a model citizen, right? In prison.

18:19 And then from that moment on, we were fighting to overturn his conviction for a crime that he didn't commit because we know he never did it. So from that point on all the way, I mean, I had graduated, went to college, met my husband. And then that was when we finally were able to get his record expended, like found a lawyer that fought and the state was like, yeah, he was wrongly convicted. How many years total did that take trying to do that? So I was again, 16 at that time. And I married Brent when I was 26. So like another, I mean, I'm telling you, this has been like 20 plus years of our lives trying to fight something. OK, so after his wrongly he was given the wrongly convicted in the state of Oklahoma, that's not communicated with the immigration courts. So he was still on the docket to be like deported. So like all this time, even when he was released, he had to go check in with his parole officers.

19:13 He was still on the docket to maybe be deported for a crime again that he didn't commit. Well, once we said, OK, here, look, the court says that he never did anything. It was wrong. They said, well, OK, that's fine, but you still have to hire another lawyer. It has to be an immigration lawyer now to talk to the immigration offices. So that's what we did. And then finally, we got that overturned and he's no longer on the docket to be deported. Then he could apply for his American citizenship and then he could have got a passport. work and then not last summer the summer before last it was like two summers ago my dad finally was able to fly back home to vietnam to see his mother after 30 years think about that judah however i am is i mean how old are my older my sister and i am that he's not hugged his mother he missed his my grandfather's funeral because of all of this um he wasn't allowed to leave the country you know and if he did he wouldn't be allowed to come back but the homecoming that he got to see my side of the family over there magical and he said for three months and then i got to go with brent and my two girls and got to meet my side of the family see how he grew up and all the stories that they had it was just such a wonderful coming home moment you know um so that's my story when it comes to my family ending up in oklahoma that just that everybody that that's that's it that's it um And Trang's husband, BRG, as I call him, Brian Green, we work together.

20:40 We're brothers. And we're starting a publishing company, a production company. And if only, Trang, we could find someone to make your life into a movie. If only. If only there was someone out there. I don't know how much I would sell it to you guys. It would probably be a high. There's no family friend discount here. No. No. I mean, this is so mind-boggling. It's such a gift for you to share. And I just want to say to all our listeners and viewers, this is no small thing for you to be willing to share it here on this platform and in this space. It's a sacred story. It's a precious story. It's a story that is so real and so tangible. And trying it has so affected me and Chelsea and our family. I don't know how anyone could ask this question. But considering that extraordinary, extensive and excruciating journey, how do you see the world now and how has that affected you? And now the work that you're doing, which is so significant and so important and so significant and important to my family.

21:48 Yeah. Was that a question or was that a comment? You know, like how has this affected you and why are you doing what you're doing? OK, so because of the way I grew up, right, we were like very marginalized. Think about an immigrant family. Now you also have a person that's in prison. And at that time, no one understood, you know, like they really thought my dad did this crime, you know. And so growing up was really hard because you kind of like torn. Right. People don't want you here. They want to deport you. All this, all these things. But, you know, the people who really wrapped their arms around us at that time were really incredible nonprofits. the church did it the um programs that we were like enrolled in that helped us get clothing you know like i didn't even know the mall was a real thing until i was in high school like i was like people shop and buy full price like their other thrift stores were like the mall you know like i it blew my mind that people like had money to do this you know so growing up that's what really helped like laid the foundation i was like well if these non-profits really laid the foundation for I know for my life and my family, it's like we got to give back in that sense.

22:53 Like this is my thank you to the community of the people who really wrapped their arms around us and loved us and cared for us and saw that these five children really needed the love. I'm going to do something in that realm. So I started Dress for Successor. I founded the Oklahoma City affiliate. So we're 145 around the world, but Oklahoma never had one. And so when I was doing the research, you know, the statistics in Oklahoma about like, you know, it's one of the states that had at that time, one of the highest incarceration rates for women per capita in the world. What are we doing for the women who are released? Are we actually helping them find work? Like work is actually a biblical thing. Like you work, you tend to something and you are so gifted and something. Are we helping them? And I think about me and like lost little me growing up. Like I would want someone to help guide me too. And I feel for these girls, you know, and because of this work, I'm allowed to go into the prisons here and talk to the girls before they're released.

23:50 So they know that like, Hey, I'm here. If you guys need me when you're released, if, and when you're released and if it's in Oklahoma, um, cause sometimes the girls get transferred out of state, depending on how that works for their, um, prime and where they're from. Um, but if I'm released here in Oklahoma state, I'm like, come find me. I want to help you find work. Let's get you back on your feet. A lot of them have children. I'm like, let's get those babies back home in your arms. Like, what can we do? Let's do this. Because family is so important. And if you want your children back, I want to be able to help you do that. So that is kind of like the basis of why I wanted to start Dress for Success. And then, of course, it grows from there. You know, we do scholarships. We help the girls go back to school. We help them start their own business. Right now, we have a course where they're doing entrepreneur things, business plans, and we're giving them a little seed money to like start their own business, which is so cool to see. We just had one girl open a nonprofit for Black maternal health. That's actually a crisis right now across America about how African-American women die at a higher rate than anybody else during childbirth and postpartum.

24:54 That's not addressed. So one of my girls that dress for success opened a nonprofit here in Oklahoma battling that. And I thought that was so cool that we were able to help her do that and give her a little seed money to open that clinic. So it's just little things like that. And I think, again, it goes back to when we immigrated over here with all those little nonprofits that helped me. They really planted seeds in me. And like over this course of almost 40, you know, 40 years, look what I've been able to do. And hopefully I'm still I'm doing the same thing. I'm planting seeds in other places and in people because that's the best investment. People ask all the time. Right. My husband, you know, you know, BRG. He loves investments. He loves business, you know, and people all the time. I was like, what have you learned from your husband? Like investment. I'm like the best investment hands down you invest in people yeah stocks are great all that stuff but that's still volatile but when you invest in people you're going to get your return and it might not be you but man what we leave behind it's worth it and that is in so many ways it's almost tangible you know when we're together we've spent some vacations together and some times with our family and you know the profound sense that you have that people are the prize and people are what matters is it's very real being around you, Trang.

26:14 And I see it, you know, you're instilling it in your two beautiful daughters. You know, your husband's hopeless, but, you know, your daughters, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. BRG, I love you. You're the best. But you are instilling that. And it's contagious. I feel it. It's very, it gives me strength and energy in the work that God's asked me to do. You are your dedication, your commitment. And perhaps it is fueled by this extraordinary story and miraculous story of God's provision and protection for your family. Could you speak to what's the most surprising thing? Your work in Oklahoma, in Oklahoma City, what is the most surprising thing as you chair, dress for success, and you go to these prisons and you sit with and listen and care for these women? What's the most surprising thing?

27:14 Okay, so running a nonprofit, you run into a lot of people. So, like, you know, it's a business still. You write grants. There's donors. You meet with them. You talk to them. and I'll tell you this story and this is this is the synopsis of my answer to you we had a girl ask us if we had a reputable medical spa in Oklahoma City she's not from Oklahoma City when she came to us she was released through a partner agency it was a human trafficking organization and she was like well I'm not from Oklahoma City this is just where I am now but do you have a reputable med spa here that could remove tattoos and again we work with people all the time that have prison tattoos, gang tattoos, all those things. And we were like, yeah, we can find one for you. Do you mind me asking where it is? How old is it? You know, is the tattoo? Did you get it done professionally? You know, all the questions that they would ask you, how big is it and all this stuff. She's telling us all this stuff. And apparently it was her trafficker had like tattooed his name on her back. And we've never seen it before. Because again, when we dress somebody, it's just what we see right here. So it wasn't on her arm or face or her neck or something um and she was like well i just didn't know how much it costs and if a place would do it because you know like i'm doing great but i feel like this is like my last thing that i need to get rid of to really completely heal and we're like yeah obviously absolutely so we're calling around we're asking how much it would cost she's showing it's like this big with this you know wide and the color is faded and so this meds ball was like we'll do it for you for free tell her we'll do it for free she doesn't pay for anything right like just because it's going to be eight sessions and every session is like 203 but you know like span apart eight weeks you know how it is to remove a tattoo long time so we're excited and we're like calling this agency or we're calling the person who referred her over like tell her that this place will do it for free all this stuff and then like a couple days later i get a call back and was like hey she said that she's like so grateful but she was wondering if she could donate her tattoo removal to a different girl at the shelter because she needs it more than she does because she has a tattoo like that's visible on her neck and her face. And she'll save up money and remove her tattoo, but she thinks her friend needs it more. And that to me is the synopsis of the work that we do. Sometimes it's

29:24 the people who have nothing to give that gives the most. And it's shocking to me because sometimes I meet with donors and I'm like trying to explain to them how important it is that we put women back to work, right? We actually, Judah got a letter my fourth year of opening dress for success from of church that says I was going to go to hell because I should not be helping women work. That's not our place. I'm not kidding. Like an actual letter in the mail. Okay. So you, sometimes I giggle about it because I'm like, you would think that some people would be so for this, but it's just like the girls that I help really ground me. Cause I'm like, you could have gotten something completely free, which you should, you deserve. Absolutely. You deserve this free tattoo removal, but you were like, Hey, let me give it to somebody else. because she needs to find work and she can't because that tattoo on her neck and her face is really hard for her to get you know get a job so like get that to her for free and then i'll be fine i'm like that is that is why i love what i do and that's why i keep doing it even though there's days that's really really really hard um because you do lose girls sometimes and they go back to prison or we don't know where they are and they don't want our help or they want to talk to us and that's really hard but the ones that get it man they're going to be leaders they're going to be the next president. Like I'm telling you, like these girls are awesome.

30:39 No. So that's good. Yeah. I got to tell you too, the story hasn't ended for my dad. So in honor of my dad, I actually helped with the bill in Oklahoma. That's right. Um, was brought to the committee in 2001. Well, it was during the pandemic that I did it with a friend who is a senator here in Oklahoma. And she brought it. I went and spoke to the Judicial Committee of Oklahoma. And I told the story. I told them why we were doing this. So in the state of Oklahoma, the compensation for people who are wrongly convicted is a one flat rate, right? Of 180K. That's it. So it doesn't matter if you were wrongly incarcerated for a year or 50 years. That's all you get. OK, we need to be up with the times. It should be per year of incarceration. Right. That's what this bill is about. So per year of carcers, we talk about mental health counseling for those individuals that were wrongly convicted. Like we should be paying for that. If we want people to be able to go back and get work and be normal, healthy, happy, healthy citizens here in Oklahoma.

31:50 This is how we do it, you know, and I think this is something we should really be doing it as a federal mandate. It per year that you're incarcerated and depending on the crime. So those who are on death row should get more, obviously, because it's different facilities, different crimes, you know, all that stuff. But so that bill is House Bill 2773. And so when I spoke to the committee, they passed it unanimously. So we're just waiting for it to go on the floor so they can vote. So hopefully I'll come up next session here in the spring for Oklahoma. So just praying about that. I yeah I'm not gonna cry train because I'm not allowed to but I'm trying not to you know but your dad could have never imagined as he kept in that ship as he says that someday you know his daughter I'm trying I'm trying I'm trying we can edit out the tears that his daughter would huh We need the emotionally stable ones in our marriage. We need Chelsea and BRG here because they'll keep us from crying. But, you know, your dad could have never imagined that his daughter, you know, would would stand in front of governing bodies and institute such change.

33:10 And, you know, I just, you know, we can't not record things like this and just hope that perhaps there are people listening who this will enact change in their life. And there'll be agents of change and agents of healing and agents of life. Because, you know, nothing matters more than people. And that's just the way it is. That's really not up for debate or discussion. What does it profit a man to gain the whole world, Jesus said. But in the process, lose his soul. The soul of a human is the most valuable, valuable thing on the planet. And I want to thank you. I want to thank you for the life you have decided to live. There was a part of your life that you didn't choose. And then there came a point where you decided that your journey would lead you into this work. And, you know, I'm not trying to be crass or crude, but you don't do this because you have to.

34:06 you don't do this to pay the bills. You do this because of passion and purpose. And it means a lot to me and my family. It means a lot to, I know your daughters are watching. I want to cry again, like get it together, Judah. But your beautiful baby girls are watching their mom already be a force. And, you know, I just admire you. And I really, really do hope that there are thousands of people watching, you know, that are going, yo, I can enact change, you know, in every small step in valuing and protecting and providing for humans is so significant. So I'm going to try to conclude this interview with a ridiculous little exercise that we're doing because I guess that's the only way I'm going to get myself together here. So sorry for making you cry. Your skin still looks amazing, which is super annoying. Yeah, so it's okay. Super annoying. Super annoying.

35:11 I don't appreciate it at all. Train Green. We do this thing called rock, paper, scissors this season in good faith. Now my nose is running everything, but rock, paper, scissors, you've heard of the game. Okay. But we're taking a little bit different angle on it. Rock is the thing that is like holding you down and keeping you firm. Paper is the one thing in your life you're like, I'm really, I'm really reconsidering and thinking about this area of my life. And scissors is something you are trying to cut out of your life. So train green. Okay. Rock, paper, You can be as candid as you want Okay What's your rock What's your paper And what's your scissors as we speak I'll start with scissors Okay perfect I'm about to be 40 Judah We're cutting out Seriously cutting out just bad people You are who you hang out with Wow I love people obviously Because you can't get to where you are If people are weighing you down okay you just can't what i'm iffy about kind of like i'm on the fence about being healthy it's like really i mean because like i love a good burger okay and i love fries we know at 40 your body's like you stop it you stop okay it's true burman brg i love him okay but those out don't know my husband man he's he's in for a wild ride you know he's he has been since the day he met me you know i i say what i want to say i believe in what i believe in and he's supporting me ever since you know when i told him i was going to do this non-profit we're going to spend our own money on it we're going to help people then i was like i'm going to do this bill he was like go for it babe i got you you know um firm foundation yeah well i can't tell you how excited I am for this to air on in good faith. I really mean that this has been incredible.

37:19 BRG is, he's such a special, sexy man. I love that guy. And that's just what it is. And so BRG, you're going to love this episode, BRG. This is a good one. Um, train green. We got to do this again. Um, thank you so much. I want to show everybody something real fast. Okay. You know, like BRG and you, you guys golf. You guys are happy golfers. You love golf. You do your little golf tournaments, all the things. Okay. So yesterday, we pulled into the garage. We went to go pick the girls up from school. Brent was home. So he was like, I'll come with you. So we pull into his garage. I never pull into his garage because we have like a little separate garage situation. We pull up, Judah, and I'm like, why are there holes and divots in the ceiling of the roof? Judah, holes and divots above where he golfs. Judah, I can't.

38:13 Do you see? Do you know how bad of shots those are? Those are, that'd be, now we're outing BRG. What is happening with his golf swing? Judah, there are holes in my ceiling. You gotta get yourself together, man. I said, the amount of time you golf, you're not very good. I was like, there you go. And then our sweet winter, when he gets out of the car and she stands there and she goes, dad, I counted 20 holes. She just walks back into the house. Like she was just so disappointed.

38:53 Oh, winter in Haven. I love you. If you're watching this, uncle Judah loves you. You're the best. You're the best. I can never thank you enough. Let's do this again. You're the best. Thank you so much.